Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Musical theatre

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. bd2412 T 19:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Musical theatre

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Neglected portal.

Eight selected articles created in July/December 2007, plus one created in June 2008. The only update to any of these was in June 2016 with the replacement of Fiddler on the Roof with Hamilton with no formatting whatsoever.

Five never-updated selected bios created in July 2007. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 08:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Musical Theatre

 * Since the Portal Guidelines have been downgraded to the status of an information page and we have no real portal guidelines, we should use common sense, which is discussed in Wikipedia in the essay section Use Common Sense and in the article common sense. The portal guidelines were an effort to codify common sense about portals, and we should still use common sense.  It is still a matter of common sense that portals should be about broad subject areas that will attract large numbers of viewers and will attract portal maintainers.  This imposes at least a three-part test for portals to satisfy common sense:  (1) a broad subject area, demonstrated a posteriori by a breadth of articles (not only by an a priori claim that a topic is broad); (2) a large number of viewers, preferably at least 100 a day, but any portal with fewer than 25 a day can be considered to have failed; (3) portal maintainers, at least two maintainers to provide backup, with a maintenance plan indicating how the portal will be maintained.  Any portal that does not pass this common-sense test is not useful as a navigation tool, for showcasing, or otherwise.
 * Delete - Low readership, not many articles, no maintenance on the articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:46, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment to User:BrownHairedGirl - Portal:Theatre seems like the best re-target for the backlinks. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:46, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * @Robert McClenon, I have left my customary note below, but recommending P:Music and P:Threatre. Was there any particular reason that you omitted P:Music? --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:47, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User:BrownHairedGirl - No. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:46, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above, and per the fact there is no good reason to keep such a portal as this. Low page views and the condition it is in mean zero value is added by such a portal. There is no policy or guideline which suggests this portal should exist. Portals are not content, being for navigation instead, so it is improper to try to compare dilapidated and useless portals to articles and say they should just be fixed. There is no reason to think that hoped-for improvements and long-term maintenance will ever materialize anyway, even if promised at the last minute just to stave off deletion. Simple assertions that the topic is broad enough are entirely subjective; rather, that it is not broad enough is demonstrated by the lack of pageviews and maintenance. Content forks are worthless, since they go out of date, preserve potentially inferior versions of article content, add pointlessly to the maintenance burden, and are vandalism magnets; therefore they should not be saved. -Crossroads- (talk) 21:04, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:Music + Portal:Theatre), without creating duplicate entries. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 00:35, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Yet another abandoned (or at least severely-neglected) portal on an execessively narrow topic. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:17, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Adds nothing the existing and well written main article+navbox.  Abandoned by almost all content/topic editors for almost a decade now.  The WikiProject Musical Theatre, which is still ticking over (and has the full catalogue of FA/GA etc. articles), also seems to want nothing to do with it – when a topic WP portal is abandoned for almost a decade by its topic WP project Group, there is little point in it. Britishfinance (talk) 19:38, 17 October 2019 (UTC)