Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Nigeria

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. So as long as there are maintainers actively working on this, seeing as a number of keeps here are conditional on there being maintainers; otherwise this might return to MFD. It seems like there is no concern about the topic being too narrow (->and thus unsuitable for portals per WP:POG) Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Nigeria


Abandoned portal on the African nation of Nigeria.

Created in November 2006‎ by, who last edited in 2011.

Converted in January 2019‎ by @The Transhumanist to an automated format which drew its "selected articles" list solely from the navbox Nigeria topics. That made it simply a bloated and redundant fork of the navbox. (For a full explanation of why this type of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).

Reverted by BHG on 12 May 2019‎ to the last non-automated version.

Despite being twelve years old, this is a bare start. It's a static page, because as Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Nigeria shows, there is only one of each type of sub-page:
 * Portal:Nigeria/News archive, which has been so consistently out of date that it has been to MFD twice: in 2008 and in in 2018, after which it was renamed as an arcive
 * Portal:Nigeria/Selected biography, topic last changed in 2017
 * Portal:Nigeria/Selected article, topic last changed in 2007
 * Portal:Nigeria/Selected picture, image changed in 2016
 * Portal:Nigeria/Topics, which appears to be a decade-year-old content fork of a navbox

That's all.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is a massively less useful page than the head article Nigeria and its navbox Nigeria topics.

In theory, a country is inherently a broad topic. But WP:POG guides that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers", and in practice this has not had builders, let alone maintainers. If any editor wants to build a portal on this topic which actually adds value for readers, they would do much better to start afresh and build a new, low-maintenance portal. Examples of how this can be done can be seen at at the very different Portal:Harz Mountains and Portal:Geophysics. And meanwhile, the current page is just a waste of readers' s time.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:35, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * PS Since @UnitedStatesian has offered to rebuild this portal, I would be happy to support draftifying the portal as an alternative to deletion. I still think that it would be better to WP:TNT it and start afresh, then draftifying it pending a rebuild would be the next best thing.
 * As noted below, moving a portal to draft space doesn't work for technical reasons, so the best way to draftify it is to move it without redirects to an alternative title in portal space. In discussion at WT:WPPORT, the preferred way to do this is to prefix it with "Ω draft" or "Ω incubator", so that in this it would be a move of Portal:Nigeria to Portal:Ω draft — Nigeria. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 21:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep I fixed the news with three edits, and will add additional content shortly.  Suggest that for portals where the topic is obviously sufficiently broad (this one has 15,000 articles in scope) and there is a dedicated WikiProject, that some talkpage discussion first be opened at the WikiProject (which is probably not aware that portals need to be frequently updated), and then only brought to MfD based on the WikiProject's lack of response.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:14, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @UnitedStatesian, there are literally hundreds of similarly long-abandoned portals. Turning this one into something which genuinely adds value is a lot of work, and simply adding a few extra subpages does not make  a page which actually adds value for readers.
 * A WikiProject notification is is unlikely to produce results, because a) portals are complex and need a lot of work, b) not many editors want to work on pages which attract so few readers.
 * So I still firmly believe that TNT is a much better solution than trying to breathe life into an abandoned corpse.
 * But if anyone still clings to the hope of resurrection in this case, then I'd be happy to support draftification. That way the pages remain for the use f anyone who wants to work on them, but readers's time is not wasted until something worthwhile is produced. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:05, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As has been discussed many times before, draftification is not a feasible option for portals due to technical issues. This is independent of WP:DUD, an essay which I disagree with. — python coder (talk &#124; contribs) 16:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * To test that claim that {tq|draftification is not a feasible option for portals due to technical issues}}, I created a multi-subpage portal in portalspace and moved it first to a difft title in portalspaceband then to my userspace. There was one minor prob with the archives, but it was easily identifiable, and was fixed before the moves.  Try it for yourself, at User:BrownHairedGirl/Incubator — Ballyporeen. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 12 subpages, created 2006-11-25 02:49:11 by User:Toussaint. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Nigeria is a country whose history started many centuries before the Pilgrim Mothers landed in America. Therefore any user having any knowledge on the topic and wanting seriously to do build a Portal:Nigeria would be able to do so, better starting from scratch. With the following caveat: according to [|Nigeria wmflabs] page views for the portal are 50 per day, to be compared with the 8500+ views per day for the article. Pldx1 (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - Based on the comment of User:UnitedStatesian, I am willing to wait for a portal maintainer for maybe three or four days while this MFD is open. The author of this portal last edited eight years ago, but maybe a maintainer will come in three or four days.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:58, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added myself as a portal maintainer on this one. Note that the current events now update automatically, with the last update 3 days ago. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment: what does it take to be a portal maintainer? If the issue is about lack of dedicated volunteers towards the portal, I'm willing to dedicate time to it and also publicize the need for consistent followup among interested members of WikiProject Nigeria. HandsomeBoy (talk) 16:23, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * all that is needed is to create new numbered subpages to Portal:Nigeria/Selected article and Portal:Nigeria/Selected biography; just click on the first redlink at the bottom of each of those two page to create them. Thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:55, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep—interest has been shown in updating and maintaining this portal, and its scope passes WP:POG. — python coder (talk &#124; contribs) 16:29, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep – The topic passes portal guidelines in being a broad subject area, and interest has been shown in this discussion to expand and improve the portal. North America1000 17:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @Northamerica1000 and @pythoncoder, the portal meets the scope criterion of WP:POG, but it abysmally fails the core point of POG, its lead, which currently reads bear in mind that portals should be about broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers. Portals which require manual updating are at a greater risk of nomination for deletion if they are not kept up to date. Do not expect other editors to maintain a portal you create.
 * Similar wording has been i place for over 12 years. The lead of the September 2006‎ version says Please bear in mind that portals should be about broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers. Do not create a portal if you do not intend to assist in its regular maintenance.
 * It is very disappointing that some editors continue to misrepresent POG as some sort of license to litter Wikipedia with abandoned portals, just becuase the scope is broad enough. POG is very clear that scope is a necessary condition, but an insufficient one: the portal must also be maintained. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 18:03, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * But this portal in no longer abandoned, and so I request in the interest of saving time that you now withdraw this one MfD nomination, as I did with Portal:Geophysics when a maintaining editor stepped forward; I don't see how this is a different case than that one (and in fact 50 pageviews a day is enormous for the portalspace). UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @UnitedStatesian, I withdrew another one when significant improvements had been made. I would do the same here if that applied, but it doesn't.  That's why I think that draftification is the appropriate move here. As I noted above, it is technically feasible. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * let me know when you have changed the nomination; it still says delete, not draftify. Thanks! UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * @UnitedStatesian, I still think that TNT is the best option, to get rid of the ancient subpages and all the structure that goes with them. But as above, draftify is the next best. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:13, 15 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Draftify : nominator has expressed that this is an acceptable middle ground and while I agree with 's comment that a serious maintainer would likely be better off starting from scratch, if one can be found, great, if not, then bring the draft back to MFD in six months.   SITH   (talk)   11:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – Per the above about having a maintainer, "if one can be found, great, if not, then...",  added themselves as a maintainer of the portal on 13 May 2019 (UTC) (diff). North America1000 19:01, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * in that case, I withdraw my !vote and default to keep.   SITH   (talk)   11:31, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment - This is one of the more popular portals. It has 53 page views daily.  The head article, by contrast, has 8707 page views daily.  The utilization of a portal doesn't have very much to do with the utilization of the head article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 16:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Question - How many complaints have there been that the poor condition of Portal:Nigeria was interfering with the ability of readers to learn about Nigeria? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment – In addition to the expansions performed by, I have also expanded the portal and its subpages a bit. North America1000 18:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Both the News and Exemplary content sections now update automatically, requiring no maintenance. All of the article and bio subpages have been updated to use the lead transclusion template, so any changes to the source articles are reflected in the portal without further editing. UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep based on the agreement by User:UnitedStatesian to maintain the portal, and as an experiment in rescuing and maintaining a previously abandoned heritage portal, with the understanding that another nomination can be made in 90 days if the portal is not being adequately maintained.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep the argument for deletion is that it's no longer being maintained, that is no longer the case. A large country is a perfectly good topic for a portal if we're going to have portals.  Hut 8.5  07:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.