Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Performing arts

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Performing arts


Another spammy automated portal created by @The Transhumanist. It is a mixture of redundancy and indiscriminate link-harvesting.

This one consists of 3 elements:
 * 1) a slideshow of articles, drawn from two pages: Outline of performing arts and the navbox Performing arts
 * 2) a slideshow of images, drawn from the head article Performing arts
 * 3) a list of subtopics

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software have made some features of automated portals redundant. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incongnito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any of the link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on Performing arts.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.  This automated portal draws its image gallery solely from the head article Performing arts, so try clicking on any image.  Then compare that full-screen slideshow with the tiny slideshow on Portal:Performing arts.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

This is the same approach as used in a host of portals recently discussed at MFD, including Electricity, Julius Caesar, Habitats, and Shipwrecks, and two MFDs opened yesterday Australian literature and Ships. This process was described by TTH is his update #026, 20 Jan 2019 as harvesting.
 * 1) the slideshow of article lead excerpts is redundant to the built-in preview of all Wikipedia pages.  If you want a preview of the articles linked from Outline of performing arts or Performing arts, just go the page and put your mouse over the link.  Instant preview!  (works only if you are not logged in.  Like ordinary readers, for whom we create Wikipedia)
 * 2) if you want a slideshow of the images in the head article Performing arts, then go to the article and click on any image.  Automatic slideshow!   (again, works only if you are not logged in.  Like ordinary readers, for whom we create Wikipedia)
 * 3) The list of subtopics on the bottom of the page is just an indiscriminate copy of Category:Performing arts, without the subcategories.  So indiscriminate that 22 of the 95 pages listed are either tagged or assessed as stubs, which should not be displayed on a portal.

Yes, Performing arts is a broad enough topic to satisfy the WP:POG requirements for creating a portal. But this spammy page is not worth keeping. If anyone does want to spend the tine researching the topic and building areal portal which genuinely tries to add value to readers and meet the WP:PORTAL primciple "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects" ... then they can create a new framework in seconds. Meanwhile no needs to waste the time of readers with this spam.

So I propose that this portal be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - The portal has an average of 3 daily page views. (That includes occasional bot views.)  The head article has 908 average daily page views, which is not a measure of interest in the topic because there are many subtopics that are explored without going through the head article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - A portal that has 3 daily page views either is using volunteer time to be maintained, or is not using volunteer time to be maintained. Besides, I have my doubts about whether Outlines are useful.  But we are discussing the deletion of a portal that contains an outline, not the deletion of an outline.  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete:
 * Low page views show readers are not interested in portals which are not properly maintained.
 * Portals require active maintenance to fulfil their raison d'etre.
 * Much of the content is forked from extant sources or seemingly irrelevant, which is to be expected when a drive-by portal is created without thought for how categorisation works.
 *  SITH   (talk)   11:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.