Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pipe organ

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 08:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Pipe organ


Micro-portal on pipe organs. Abandoned since 2007.

Created in April 2007‎ by, whose last edit was in 2013.

The list of subpages at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Pipe organ doesn't look to small at first glance, but after discounting the redirects and the formatting oages there isn't much left:
 * Portal:Pipe organ/Featured biography/1 and Portal:Pipe organ/Featured biography/2. Both unchnaged (except for disambiguation etc since creation in 2007
 * Portal:Pipe organ/Featured article/1 and Portal:Pipe organ/Featured article/2. Both unchnaged (except for disambiguation etc since creation in 2007
 * Portal:Pipe organ/Pipe organ news a set of three items, all unsourced. One was added in 2016, but the other two are as added in 2013, including the "news" that "David Hill—organist and Director of Music at St. John's College, Cambridge—will become President of the Incorporated Association of Organists (IAO) and Chief Conductor of the BBC Singers in July 2007."
 * Portal:Pipe organ/Did you know. 3 items, the most recebt having been added in 2008. Only one of three items Martin Peerson appears to be derived from WP:DYK, but even if all three were DYK-based, they miss the ppint of DYK.  Per WP:DYK, "The DYK section showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal review process. It is not a general trivia section" ... but this 12-year-old list loses the newness, so its only effect is as a trivia section, contrary to WP:TRIVIA.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Pipe organ and its navbox Template:Pipe organs.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on this link to Template:Pipe organs, open in a private/incognito tab, and mouseover any link.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Pipe organ, open in a private/incognito tab, and click on any image to start the slideshow

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

Maybe someday someone will build and maintain a portal which actually adds value for readers. But if so, they will do better to start afresh, rather than building on these 12-year-old content forks.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:59, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - The portal has 9 average daily pageviews. The article has 595 daily pageviews, which is considerably less than most of the portals that we have reviewed, and probably indicates simply that this is not a broad topic that attracts viewers and portal maintainers.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comments :
 * I concur with the analysis by BHG.
 * See also the view statistics at Portal:Pipe organ, from which the conclusion is that portals about musical instruments do not attract sufficient readers and maintainers to satisfy portal guidelines. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.