Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ravidassia

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:28, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Ravidassia


Abandoned static micro-portal on a narrow topic: the Ravidassia religion.

Created in February 2012‎ by, who made only 586 live edits in all, the last in 2012, and also created the defunct WikiProject Ravidassia. The lead of WP:POG says "Portals which require manual updating are at a greater risk of nomination for deletion if they are not kept up to date. Do not expect other editors to maintain a portal you create" ... and this one has not been maintained.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Ravidassia shows a limited set of sub-pages, but a significant proportion are blank or duplicates, e.g.
 * Portal:Ravidassia/Selected article/1 and Portal:Ravidassia/Selected article/2 are both about Begumpura, but neither has any links. Portal:Ravidassia/Selected article/5 is blank.
 * Portal:Ravidassia/Selected biography/1, /2, /3 and /4 are all about Guru Ravidass, but have no links to other pages. Portal:Ravidassia/Selected biography/5 is blank.
 * Portal:Ravidassia/Did you know contains 4 items, only two of which are linked. This appears to have nothing to do with WP:DYK; it is just a WP:TRIVIA section.
 * Portal:Ravidassia/News has dispalyed the same 4 items since 2012

WP:POG says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this pseudo-portal has missed over 80 updates. More importantly, it was never even properly started: portals are supposed to be gateways to content, but these unlinked pages are just dead-ends.

WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". Bur Ravidassis is a narrow topic, and it has consistently failed to attract maintainers.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Ravidassia religion and its excellent sidebar navbox Template:Ravidasi.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navbox offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and then select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on this link to Template:Ravidasi, and then mouseover any link.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Ravidassia religion, and then click on any image.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a high bar for any would-be-portal-builder to vault if they try to satisfy the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". It would take a lot of work to make a portal which genuinely offers more than the head article Ravidassia religion with its sidebar Ravidasi.

I usually propose that abandoned portals should be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal. But in this case, the topic is so narrow and the WikiProject is dead, so I think it would be better to just delete it, along with its sub-pages. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:55, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Concur with analysis by BHG. Portal has had average of 8 daily pageviews, which is not a large number of interested readers.  As noted, portal is abandoned.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:33, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: abandoned portals fail their reason for existing.   SITH   (talk)   11:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 29 subpages, created 2012-02-10 12:51:46 by User:McKinseies. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Ravidassia. Pldx1 (talk) 13:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The "selected article" of this portal seems to be Begumpura, which as you will notice is not even an active article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.