Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Reggae

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Delete. — xaosflux  Talk 23:18, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Reggae


Mini-portal about reggae music.Abandoned since 2014.

Created in May 2012‎ by, who has been indef-blocked since 2017.

It was still in Category:Portals under construction in September 2018, whe it was converted ‎ by @The Transhumanist (TTH) to an automated format which drew its selected artricles list solely from the navbox Template:Reggae, of which the portal therefire became just a bloated a nd edundnat fork. (For a full explanation of why this type of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).

On 12 May 2019‎ I reverted the automation, restoring the last curated version.

That leaves it still "under construction", 7 years after it was created. Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Reggae shows a modest set of sub-pages:
 * Portal:Reggae/Selected article/1, /2 and /3, each displaying the same topic since they were created in 2014.
 * Portal:Reggae/Selected biography/1. same topic (Jimmy Cliff) since 2014
 * Portal:Reggae/Selected picture/1, /2,/3 and /4, all unchanged since 2014
 * Portal:Reggae/Did you know, same five items since 2014

WP:POG says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this portal has missed over 60 consecutive updates. Yes, there are three selected article, but that's a tiny selection, and two of the three selected articles are already linked from the navbox and from the lead or infobox of the head article: Portal:Reggae/Selected article/1 is Rastafari, and Portal:Reggae/Selected article/2 is dub music.

In theory, this a broad topic. But in practice, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".But it has consistently failed to attract maintainers.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Reggae and its navbox Template:Reggae.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navbox offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on e.g. Template:Reggae
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on the article Reggae.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a high bar for any would-be-portal-builder to vault if they try to satisfy the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". It would take a lot of work to make a portal which genuinely offers more than the head article Reggae with its navbox Reggae.

But maybe someone will find a way to make such a better portal, and a team of editors to maintain it ... so I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Concur with analysis by BHG. Also, portal not maintained since portal author blocked for copyvio.  Also, this portal had 74 pageviews between 1 Jan 2019 and 28 Feb 2019.  That's not an average; that's a sum.  The average is 1.  (The article had 1413 daily pageviews, but you didn't ask that.)  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: unmaintained portals do not fulfil their reason for existing, and navbox clones are redundant forks. Therefore, no portal is better.    SITH   (talk)   11:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 20 subpages, created 2012-05-07 18:01:17 by User:Yungtravie. This was already stated by TTH: this draft never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Reggae. Pldx1 (talk) 13:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.