Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Rhône-Alpes

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. ‑Scottywong | confer _ 03:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Rhône-Alpes


Abandoned, static nano-portal about a former administrative region of France. Rhône-Alpes was abolished in 2016, and replaced by the new region of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes.

Created in November 2009‎ by. The lead of WP:POG says "do not expect other editors to maintain a portal you create" ... but this one was not maintained by Cyril, whose only edit to the portal after creating it was to remove lots of its content in April 2010.

And there the portal has languished for 9 years. Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Rh%C3%B4ne-Alpes shows that it consists of a set of subpages for each of the Departments of France which fell within the region.

Five of the departmental sub-pages are just empty shells, with nothing but headings. Each of the five has had only one edit, when created in November 2009‎ Cyril:
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Ain
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Ardèche
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Drôme
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Haute-Savoie
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Loire

The other two were expanded a little in 2009–12 by other editors, and are now like micro versions of outline pages:
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Savoie
 * Portal:Rhône-Alpes/Isère

I don't see what purpose any of this would have served, even if it had been completed and even if the region still existed. It all just seems to be a bloated way of displaying fewer links and less info than is available in the head article Rhône-Alpes.

Unsurprisingly, the readers don't want it. In January–June 2019, it averaged only 4 pageviews per day, which is barely above the background noise of editors poking around.

WP:POG requires that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". A former region is not a broad topic, and this has had neither readers nor maintainers. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:24, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


 * PS. My favourite part of this portal is the Rhône-Alpes Café, whose only posts are:
 * a Nov 2009 welcome msg from its creator, and
 * a May 2019 message from the notorious portalspammer @The Transhumanist (TTH) announcing that the Portals project was rebooted and completely overhauled on April 17th, 2018.
 * This Café which never served a coffee is a stark illustration of the massive gap between the dreams of portal creators, and the reality of reader boycott. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:37, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

If it were up to me, these portals would have never been created in the first place. Those were probably different times. I support the deletion for the above reasons, which I also support on other platforms as well. Portals should be useful to readers in the first place, only portals of broad topics should be kept if far from perfect or not fully complete.--Alexmar983 (talk) 17:55, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * @Alexmar983 If you support deletion, than you should add a bolded delete vote to the beginning of your statement like we below did, to make it official. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete voilà.--Alexmar983 (talk) 23:12, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete You had me at " Rhône-Alpes was abolished in 2016" S Philbrick  (Talk)  21:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the thorough investigation of the portal by the nom. This portal has been abandoned for a decade and clearly fails WP:POG's requirement that it be about a broad subject area likely to attract large numbers of readers and maintainers. It has almost no readers and has had no maintainers for over nine years, so it is not at all a broad topic per POG. Given that this region doesn't even exist anymore and how long this portal rotted, I am strongly against allowing recreation. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:17, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete this portal is worthless junk.Catfurball (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Portal: Rhône-Alpes. I concur with the analysis by User:BrownHairedGirl.  This is an incomplete abandoned portal, and is even more deficient than most portals for deletion.  As BHG notes, it only had 4 daily pageviews, as opposed to 195 for the head article (which is low because the subject is a named geographic place that is only legally defined in the past).  There is only one semi-complete article, on the region, and it makes the obsolete statement that the region is one of the administrative regions of France (which illustrates why subpage forks are the wrong answer).  Five of the other would-be articles, about the departments, are empty shells (and two of them are shells with shrimps in them).  Not enough readers, not enough maintainers, not enough to maintain.  Perhaps portal advocates will say that we need regional portals.  A few points should be considered:
 * This is not currently a first-level administrative subdivision.
 * Perhaps administrative subdivisions that are subject to frequent national-level tinkering, as in France or England, are not permanent enough for portals. (I am not saying that this means that abandoned regional portals in the United States, Australia, Canada, or Germany should be kept, but at least the states or provinces themselves are not subject to deletion.  In France and England, the regions are sometimes deleted.)
 * The portal advocates have not yet proposed a guideline to specify what regional portals should be kept.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.