Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Rice

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Delete. — xaosflux  Talk 17:46, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Rice


Automated navbox-cloned portal. No curated version to revert to.

This portal is based on two navboxes: Rice and Rice dishes. This is slightly different from the two mass deletions of navbox-based portals, each of which was for portals based on just one naavbox. (See the mass deletions one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).

I thought that portals based on two navboxes might be less spammy, but exploring two newish features of the Wikimedia software has shown that this type of portal is also redundant. Both for features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incongnito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any of the link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on Rice  and Rice dishes.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.  This automated portal draws its image gallery solely from the head article Rice, so try clicking on any image.  Then compare that full-screen slideshow with the tiny slideshow on Portal:Rice.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

So this portal is redundant. It is just an elaborate way of replicating built-in-functions.

Rice is is the agricultural commodity with the third-highest worldwide production, and Wikipedia has reasonably good coverage of various rice topics: see Category:Rice and its subcats. That might qualify it in some eyes as a broad topic, but I am more inclined to agree with the view that one foodstuff is a narrow topic, however copiously documented. WP:POG guides that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers" ... and in my experience, this type of topic does not attract portal maintainers.

But others may disagree, so I propose that this portal be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:21, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - The portal has an average of 6 daily pageviews. The head article has an average of 2838 daily pageviews.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - All of the portal MFDs so far appear to illustrate that "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers" have the nature of a mirage, that may or may not be somewhere, but is not where it appears to be. We haven't yet seen any portals that have large numbers of interested readers, although many lead articles have large numbers of interested readers.  Portal maintainers do occasionally show up, but more often for areas of specific personal interest than broad areas.  The case for any particular portal is a difficult one to make.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the nominator and the above comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete:
 * Portals require active curation to fulfil their purpose.
 * Portals need to be about broad topics.
 * Portals shouldn't just fork navboxes or extant on-wiki sources.
 *  SITH   (talk)   11:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.