Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Sabah

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Sabah

 * Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Static mini-portal on the Malaysian state of Sabah, abandoned since creation in 2014.

Created in April 2014‎ by, whose last edit was in late 2015.

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Sabah shows several image pages, but only one content page:
 * Portal:Sabah/Selected article, topic Kota Kinabalu. Page unchanged since creation in 2014
 * Portal:Sabah/News is an automated wikinews transclusion
 * Portal:Sabah/Topics is just a transclusion of the navbox Sabah

WP:POG says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this pseudo-portal has missed over 130 consecutive updates.

In theory, this state of 3.5 million people might be seen as a broad topic. But in practice, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". This has not attracted maintainers, and in Jan–Feb 2019 got only 6 pageviews per day

It is time to stop wasting the time of readers by luring them to this abandoned draft, and time to abandon the magical thinking that this abandoned relic will some day magically attract magical editors who will want to resurrect it. If any editor does want to build a real portal, they will be far better off without this relic and its ancient content-forked sub-pages; instead they should build a modern portal without content-forked sub-pages. For examples, see Portal:Geophysics, and Portal:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

Howver, two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navboxes offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it on e.g. Template:Sabah.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on the article Sabah.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a high bar for any woukd-be-portal-builder to vault if they try to satisfy the WP:PORTAL principle "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". It would take a lot of work to make a portal which genuinely offers more than the head article Sabah ith its navbox Sabah.

But maybe someone will find a way to make such a better portal, and a team of editors to maintain it ... so I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to re-creating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:08, 20 May 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - As specified by BHG. This portal has an In The News section which is about Asia, which is a big place, not about Sabah.  That is a distraction, and is sloppy.  The portal has too many redlinks.  The portal has 6 daily pageviews, as opposed to 777 daily pageviews for the head article.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 15 subpages, created 2014-04-03 10:45:26 by User:Muffin Wizard. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Sabah. Pldx1 (talk) 12:29, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.