Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Saint Helena

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. MER-C 16:22, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Saint Helena

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Narrow topic, which fails the WP:POG guidance that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".

Saint Helena is a remote island with a 2016 population of only 4,534. The portal is not automated, but its topic list is basically an undifferentiated category dump of all the pages Category:Saint Helena plus subcats. The head article provides a better navigational hub.

WP:Portals says 'Portals serve as enhanced "Main Pages" for specific broad subjects', but this in neither broad nor enhanced. Unsurprisingly, readers much prefer the head article, by an exceptionally high margin. Here are the Jan–March 2019 pageviews: That's 196 views of the head article for every view of the portal. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Portal:Saint Helena: 120 total
 * Article: Saint Helena: 2,347 total


 * Comment - A lot of the churches mentions aren't in St. Helena, just dedicated to St. Helena - I'm not going to vote yet (if at all) but I think the portal could be kept if the issues are corrected. If no-one can be bothered to fix this now (and I already have too many portals on my plate) there is no point in keeping it - a portal on British Overseas Territories would probably be better viewed and maintained. Gazamp (talk) 12:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This fits squarely in scope of Portal:British Empire which has it's own serious problems. The current small British territories should not have a portal when the portal above it is in such a sorry state. Legacypac (talk) 13:00, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * @Gazamp, the mistaken inclusions problem is a good illustration of the wisdom of the WP:POG guidance that portals need to "attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". You rightly identify a fairly fundamental scope issue, but it has been there for unfixed for over 4 months. Microportals like this simply don't have enough eyes on them. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 13:31, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed - after a search, I found that the portal has only two links to it from actual WP articles: one from Saint Helena and the other from Saint Helena pound. That's probably a main factor of the abandonment... Gazamp (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * @Gazamp: that's probably a common factor with TTH's creations of new automated portals. They were mass-created for the fun of creating them, but I see no sign that there was any systematic effort to link to them from anywhere, apart from WP:Bots/Requests for approval/Dreamy Jazz Bot 2 which linked from only one article and one category.    Just as well, considering the uselessness of these portals. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 17:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - As BrownHairedGirl says. This portal illustrates that a portal enthusiast can come up with a useless portal even without automation tools.  It should be noted that the subject of this portal is known for being used for its remoteness.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:22, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete based on my comments about British Empire, the parent portal, being inadequate and other reasons like such a small population limiting scope. Legacypac (talk) 05:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete  - Automated portal,  0 subpages, created 2018-12-10 11:19:01 by User:TTH, to be deleted: Portal:Saint Helena. Pldx1 (talk) 11:26, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: this automated creation should not have happened until community consensus on the use, scope and depth of portals had been properly established.   SITH   (talk)   12:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.