Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:San Diego–Tijuana (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Portal:San Diego–Tijuana


Stillborn portal with single contributor. The selected article, selected image, DYK, and cities tab are all from 2011. Survived no-consensus MfD with three contributors in 2014. No updates since then. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 06:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC) . Robert McClenon (talk) 02:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per the nom. This portal has been abandoned for eight years. It clearly fails WP:POG's requirement that portals should be about subjects broad enough to attract large numbers of readers and maintainers. This portal has had over eight years of no maintainers and it had an abysmal 8 views per day from January 1 to June 30 2019. WP:DYK states: "The DYK section showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal review process. It is not a general trivia section" ... but this eight-year-old set has nothing to do with new or expanded articles, so its only effect is as a WP:TRIVIA section. All of the entries are fake DYK's as well, and are usurping the good name of WP:DYK. Portals stand or fall on their merits in the now, not what could someday hypothetically happen with them, and this one falls flat. I oppose re-creation, as eight years of hard evidence shows San Diego–Tijuana is not a broad enough topic to attract readers or maintainers. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:00, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Mark S and NH12. This portal was created in 2011 by an editor who departed from Wikipedia after creating the portal, and the portal shows it with no maintenance.  The head article has only 225 daily pageviews, which may indicate that the topic does not support a portal.   There is no short-term reason to expect that a re-creation of this portal will address the problems.  Any proposed re-creation of this portal using a more modern design, and taking into account the failures of many portals, can go to Deletion Review.  Robert McClenon (talk) 02:26, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment – A few comments on Do You Knows in portals are in order. As BrownHairedGirl and User:Newshunter12 point out, the Do You Know section of the Main Page has quality criteria, so that the hooked articles are recently improved articles, and the DYK section of the Main Page is not a general trivia section.  The Do You Knows in portals are almost always a general trivia section.  However, there is neither a guideline requiring Do You Knows in portals, nor a guideline specifying that, if there are Do You Knows, they have passed any test.  They are therefore almost always a general trivia section.  General trivia are not permitted in article space.  My own thinking is that portals almost always have Do You Knows precisely because providing general trivia on a one-time basis is fun for portal originators, and is a way of sneaking around the rule against general trivia in article space.  The Do You Knows of portals are useless, and are not a reason to keep a portal.
 * Delete per nominator and per NH12, and oppose re-creation. This has been an abandoned bonsai portal since 2011, and the 2014 MFD brought no improvement.  Per WP:POG, portals need large numbers of readers and  maintainers (plural), and this one has very few readers and no maintainers. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 22:53, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks?  I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s), and in this case I propose to replace links to the redirects  and  with links to Portal:California. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 23:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.