Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Seoul

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Delete. — xaosflux  Talk 23:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Seoul


Micro-portal about the city of Seoul in Korea. Abandoned since 2009, redundant to the head article Seoul.

Created in January 2009‎ by, who has been indef-blockd since 2016.

It escaped the 2018 wave of automation, but Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Seoul shows only a small list of sub-pages:
 * Portal:Seoul/Selected article/1 and Portal:Seoul/Selected article/2, each displaying the same topic as in 2009
 * Portal:Seoul/Did you know has only ever been a redirect to Portal:Seoul or a blank page (see history). Was replaced in 2018 with an automatic DYK-catcher:
 * Portal:Seoul/Administrative divisions, just a clone of the relevant section in the head article: Seoul
 * Two picture pages:
 * Portal:Seoul/Selected picture/1, dispalying the same image since 2009
 * Portal:Seoul/Selected picture/2, displaying no image since the file was deleted on Commons in 2013

WP:POG says that unless automated, the content selection should be updated monthly, or preferably weekly. Even on a monthly cycle, this pseudo-portal has missed over 120 consecutive updates.

In theory, this large capital a broad topic. But in practice, like most city portals outside the USA, it has not met the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". In Jan–Feb 2019 it got only 7 pageviews per day, which is less than half the abysmal median of 13 per day for all portals, but still only 0.23% of the 3,016 daily views of the head article. And it has consistently failed to attract maintainers.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But this is massively less useful in every respect than the head article Seoul and its excellent sidebar navbox Template:Seoul.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software means that the article and navbox offers all the functionality which portals like this set out to offer. Both features are available only to ordinary readers who are not logged in, but you can test them without logging out by right-clicking on a link, and the select "open in private window" (in Firefox) or "open in incognito window" (Chrome).
 * 1) mouseover: on any link, mouseover shows you the picture and the start of the lead.  So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links.  Try it by right-clicking on this link to Template:Seoul.
 * 2) automatic imagery galleries: clicking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually much better than  a click-for-next image gallery on a portal.   Try it by right-clicking on this link to the article Seoul.

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

That sets a high bar for any would-be-portal-builder to vault if they try to satisfy the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". It would take a lot of work to make a portal which genuinely offers more than the head article Seoul.

But maybe someone will find a way to make such a better portal, and a team of editors to maintain it ... so I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: we can have an abandoned manual portal, which fails WP:PORTAL, we can have an automated navbox clone, which fails WP:REDUNDANTFORK, or we can delete it.   SITH   (talk)   11:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Abandoned draft of a portal, 21 subpages, created 2009-01-03 23:02:44 by User:Article editor. Never went alive. Nothing to keep. Portal:Seoul. Pldx1 (talk) 13:59, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete in accordance with the analysis by BHG. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.