Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:South Korea

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:48, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:South Korea

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As already stated at WP:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Korea, the so called Portal:South Korea is a shameful copy of the empty set: TWO pictures, TWO articles, THREE bibliographies, all from 2015. A film director + a speed skater + Ban Ki-moon, this is South Korea, as seen from this portal. Moreover, this so-called portal is so much abandoned that Ban Ki-moon is described as the present days Secretary-General of the United Nations, while his mandat was from January 2007 to December 2016.

The case here is not the existence of so many articles that could have been used to build a decent portal. The case is that nobody has ever tried to do so, and that nobody will ever come to maintain something with so low page views [|Korea|Portal:South_Korea|Portal:North_Korea wmflabs]. The most simple decency with regard to our readers (and with regard to all Koreas, from past and present) requires to delete this fake portal.

Without prejudice to some maintainer Who Will Come From The Stars at some unforeseeable future.

Pldx1 (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Question - Have the contributors User:Kanghuitari and User:Ansmdgotl1818 been notified? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:41, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:WikiProject Korea courtesy talkpage notified. UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - The frozen view must have been refreshed, because it now describes Ban as a former Secretary General. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - The fact that Pldx1 saw it describe Ban as the Secretary General isn't a good sign. Yet another portal created recklessly.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:11, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. In addition to the content mentioned above, there's quite a few rotating sets of DYKs, though they are done in a somewhat odd fashion. Is anyone from Wikiproject Korea prepared to expand and update this? Espresso Addict (talk) 23:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep (copying my vote and comment to deletion nominations for North Korea and South Korea) - Many of the portals have low pageviews. It feels like North and South Korea are being banished. Did someone mention a goal to automate or revamp the whole portal process, which appears to be antiquated and rarely used. Here are a few examples for Daily Average pageviews (latest 20):
 * China:134
 * Japan:102
 * North Korea:51
 * South Korea:30


 * Egypt:27
 * Namibia:12
 * Sudan:20
 * South Africa:42


 * Canada:59
 * Cuba:24
 * Mexico:42
 * United States: 222


 * France:88
 * Germany:97
 * Ireland:58
 * United Kingdom:147--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Subject is certainly broad enough to justify a portal; since it meets the WP:POG guideline and the existing portal and subpages certainly are a foundation for future improvement, WP:TNT does not apply and we should remember that WP:Deletion is not cleanup. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:05, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that you will do the job ... or is this only another occurrence of a famous fallacy: South Korea, the country, being a large subject has nothing to do with the fact that the present copy of the empty set is not a navigation tool into anything. By the way, using Rhee Taekwon-Do as an SK topic while the article itself says the contrary is surely another foundation for future improvement ! Pldx1 (talk) 18:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, if it is kept, and if no one else (ideally from WP:WikiProject Korea) steps up, I will do the job. Along with Portal:Andes and Portal:Nelson Mandela. Does that make me He Who Came From The Stars? UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:13, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. Once this not-a-portal has been deleted for not being a portal, you will be totally free to restart everything from scratch, and try to build a decent one. This is a broad topic indeed. One that would require a large labor force... but don't hope for any help from WP:WikiProject Korea, this project is as mythical as the haetae of old. If you are really sure to correctly evaluate the induced workload, don't hesitate, have good luck and some readers ! Pldx1 (talk) 22:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Wikipedia is not a newspaper, so the "current events" of the content of a portal is no reason to delete the portal. Historical portal articles are valid, the content is good, and there is no deadline.  The arguments are all related to content issues, not deletion issues.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Saying the content is good is an amusing comment about a portal that encompasses no more than TWO pictures, TWO articles, THREE bibliographies, all from 2015 and pretends describe South Korea as a whole. Pldx1 (talk) 22:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is a work in progress.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:00, 1 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep per Paul McDonald. WaggersTALK  09:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep good scope, perfectly maintainable. I've added two extra Featured images to the Selected images section. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * perfectly maintainable is only the usual fallacy: do the job by yourself instead of trying to compulse someone else to do the huge amount of job that should be done to obtain a decent portal. What we have is only a lack of progress due to a lack of work. But a portal is supposed to be an actual navigation tool. POG, you know, and the remaining letter soup. As of now, there are Lua error 'missing such and such', while a good part of the few existing subpages are made of outdated snippets. Better delete everything than wait for the keepers to sort this mess (this last from so long a time)! Without prejudice to a restart from scratch if User:UnitedStatesian, or even a team around him, wants to. Pldx1 (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.