Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:The Sopranos

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. MER-C 19:04, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Portal:The Sopranos


Portal based on a narrow topic, i.e. a single TV series. Fails the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".

This portal has been through several versions since it was created in September 2018‎, all built by the creator, who seems to have been experimenting with formats. It was:
 * 1) created as an automated portal which built its article list solely off the navbox The Sopranos, of which it was therefore just a bloated and redundant fork.  (For a full explanation of why this type  of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals).
 * 2) Converted on 1 October 2018 to an old-style manually-curated format with subpages (see list at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:The Sopranos)
 * 3) Converted on 12 October 2018 to use an embedded list. With some tweaks, that is how it appears now: see current version

Because of the narrow scope, all these version share the same fundamental problem: they don't meet the WP:PORTAL principle that "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". The Good-article-class head article The Sopranos with its navbox The Sopranos offers at least the same functionality, because it displays a list of episodes, a list of major characters, and a list of the main actors.

The portal offers a click-for-next set of previews of each of those 3 sets, but (unlike most portals) no image gallery.

Two newish features of the Wikimedia software mean that the head article does this by default for ordinary readers who are not logged in:
 * mouseover on any of the linked list items shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links
 * automatic imagery galleries: for ordinary readers who are not logged in, clinking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal

Similar features have been available since 2015 to users of Wikipedia's Android app.

So the portal adds nothing for the reader. Therefore I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted, with prejudice against recreation. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete:
 * The pageview metric comparison is the most lopsided that I have seen. In the two months from 1 January to 28 February, there were 135 total page views of the portal, or an average of 2 daily page views.  By contrast, there were 11,235 average page views of the head article.  That is a ratio of more than 500:1.
 * In other words, viewers are using Wikipedia to learn about the show, but they are not using the portal to learn about the show.
 * The head article is its own main page, and doesn't need an enhanced main page, and automation won't provide an enhanced main page.
 * Not a "broad area". Robert McClenon (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: too narrow scope, portal is clearly unused.   SITH   (talk)   12:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - The ratio between views of the article and the portal is more than 5000:1 . Robert McClenon (talk) 03:01, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.