Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Talk:Saints in Methodism


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the discussion was Moved to Articles_for_deletion/Saints_in_Methodism, procedural NAC Gigs (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Saints in Methodism
This article is "forced" as a result of rejection of the notion in article United Methodist Church. Methodists as non-Catholic/non-Anglican Protestants honor heroes and heroines of the faith. They may or may not refer to the gospel writers as St Matthew, St Luke, etc., to be consistent with the book titles in certain versions of the New Testament. A few churches have even been named after St George or St John. However, this is minor compared to the canonization of saints in the Catholic and Anglican churches.

A quote from Wiki "United Methodist Church":


 * The United Methodist Church's understanding of "saint" is not unique among Protestants. They consider all faithful Christians to be saints, as the word is used throughout the New Testament. Examples may be found in Acts 9:13 ("saints in Jerusalem"), Acts 9:32) ("saints who lived at Lydda"), Acts 26:10 ("I lock(ed) up many of the saints in prisons"), Philippians 4:21 ("Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…")[72] All true Christian believers are considered saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ.

Methodists also honor heroes and heroines of the Christian faith whose lives are an example for the living (see 1 Corinthians 11:1). These might include martyrs, confessors of the Faith, evangelists, or important biblical figures, or theologians and church leaders such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Salvation Army Founder William Booth, African missionary David Livingstone and Methodism's revered founder John Wesley who are among others cited as Protestant saints.[72]

Saints is predominantly a Catholic and to a lesser extend Anglican belief. They have a very formal process of canonizing saints, a process some in those groups believe makes them "perfect." The Protestant view is that all who are truly "saved" through grace by faith in Jesus, and who live holy lives that please God (though none of us is perfect in this life), meet the qualification of NT saints. Certainly, all such people who have died qualify as saints in the biblical sense.

This article is creating so much confusion and is at odds with the main article on both Methodism and United Methodist Church. Please delete it ASAP. Thank youAfaprof01 (talk) 14:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC). Afaprof01 (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Afaprof01 (talk) 08:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You have listed the talk page of a mainspace article at MfD. I think you meant to list the actual page at WP:AfD. In any case, I don't think you are so much offering reasons for deletion, but a reasonable criticism that should be placed on the talk page (where you placed the MfD notice). Are you absolutely sure there is nothing you can do by way of editing to fix the problem? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, SmokeyJoe. I did mean to list the actual page at WP:AfD. Very sorry.

I do feel certain there is nothing worth doing to fix the problem. What little there is that can be said already has been said @ United Methodist Church. Even there, we have debated as to whether there was enough to say, and if so, what to say. It lacks Notoriety within this, and probably all Protestant churches except Anglican). Would you be so kind as to do what needs to be done with this Afd re: moving it to the proper place? Thanks, Afaprof01 (talk) 14:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Took care of it. Articles_for_deletion/Saints_in_Methodism Gigs (talk) 22:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.