Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User MAGA before European colonization

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: move to User:Buaidh/User MAGA before European colonization. Little bit of IAR on the early close but everyone including the creator are advocating for it. Primefac (talk) 23:41, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Template:User MAGA before European colonization

 *  J 947 ( c ) (m)   03:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 *  J 947 ( c ) (m)   03:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Europhobic. KMF (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 *  Keep : This is merely an expression of personal belief.  Many users believe that the Americas were a better place before 1492.  I don't think Wikipedia users need to be censored.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  17:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, no one here was alive before European colonization of the Americas. Things may have been better, they may have been worse, we will never personally know either way. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 18:37, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You want to delete this userbox because no one alive remembers 1492. I guess you're OK with the Inquisition then.  Your buddy,  Buaidh  02:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Dial the tone down just a little bit. There seems to be a pattern of many userboxes and user categories having been made out of frustration with recent events and politics. I can understand it's not been the easiest time for everyone, but that doesn't make these any more appropriate for Wikipedia. To me, and perhaps OP, a userbox like this is no better than one saying "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN (as we were before Mexican immigration)". That one would get deleted in a heartbeat. We whites who are alive today cannot take responsibility for what our ancestors did; we've all merely been born into a world they helped shape. We cannot change the past, and there's no reason to guilt-trip people for what their ancestors did. We can only be judged as we are here and now, and the closest this userbox comes to being valid is for any of us who agree the brutal suppression that was commonplace at the time was in any way fair or deserved. But no matter how much we disagree with it, we cannot ever hope to change it. Userboxes like these are doing more to divide the Wikipedia userbase than to unite it in the common interest of making an encyclopedia. It certainly seems making an encyclopedia has gotten a lot more personal in the past year or so. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 13:07, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Userboxes are intended to be personal, otherwise there would be no need for userboxes. Would you like all users to homogenous?  That sounds racist, or at least anti-ethnicity.  White male Euro-Americans are not an endangered group.  They bear no guilt for their ancestors, but neither should they hold cultural hegemony over the Americas.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  18:47, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Userboxes are intended to help editors understand one another better. Personal, yes, but in the sense of, "If you wonder why I edit the way I do, this might be a clue." Whether any group should "hold cultural hegemony over the Americas" is neither here nor there, and whether I believe they should or not has nothing to do with why I believe this userbox should be deleted. This userbox is a mere statement of sociopolitical belief that imparts nothing, explicit or otherwise, about how the user who has it on his or her page intends to benefit Wikipedia. It's also nonsensical because, as I said before, no one alive today was around before this era of civilization began, so no one can say for certain how it compares to today's society. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 01:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete its just racist. Legacypac (talk) 19:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This userbox template supports the indigenous peoples of the Americas and their ways of life. It does not demean any other group.  This template was intended to be a "tongue in cheek" take on the political slogan, but apparently many folks take delight in being "hugely offended" by any little thing.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  19:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Not to say this is what you said, but if the userbox is "a take on [a] political slogan", it has no place here. At best it offers no insight on a user's editing style or what we can expect said user to bring to the table as an editor. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 01:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an editor could bring a different cultural perspective to the table. I certainly know I can.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  05:20, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't really care if this template stays or goes (well, that's not true, I weakly think it should stay because it's marginally clever), but the more important thing I want to point out is that people claiming this box is "europhobic" or "racist" have a fundamental misunderstanding of what bigotry and racism are. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:03, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Amen. Buaidh  02:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Userfy. Not racist, but Indigenous peoples of the Americas pride.  Political.  Arguably not appropriate for Wikipedia as political, arguably appropriate as an self-introductory for the user, a declaration of interests and biases. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:41, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Userfy per Userboxes and in accordance with Userbox migration. Substantially all userboxes expressing political views are supposed to be moved out of templatespace and preferably to userspace. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Userfy--But, it was an interesting and cunning phrasing on lines of current political scenario. Winged Blades of Godric On leave 17:46, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Move: With consensus, I intend to move the following 27 userbox templates to the User namespace:


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 * align=left|Template:User anti-imperial
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 * links


 * - style="margin:0;padding:0;"
 * align=left|Template:User huge mistake
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 * links


 * Yours aye, Buaidh  20:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947 ( c ) (m)   03:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment for the record, I have moved all the other templates listed above to User:Buaidh's userspace after closing two more MfDs where the same list was produced - Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User US-RU and Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User huge mistake. There seems to be an overall consensus for moving political templates like these out of template space and since he volunteered I don't see any reason to stop him. I have left this one and Template:User under surveillance where they are for now purely because the MfDs have been relisted. – filelakeshoe (t / c) &#xF0F6;  13:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to move this userbox template to the User namespace. Yours aye,  Buaidh  23:01, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.