Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Malvinas

 __NOINDEX__
 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. ✗ plicit  13:00, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Template:User Malvinas

 * – (View MfD) &#8203;

Stupid irredentist nonsense demanding the annexation of a tiny British territory that is overwhelmingly in favor of remaining that way. Dronebogus (talk) 09:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I am withdrawing because this seems to be more trouble than it’s worth and the consensus is leaning keep. Dronebogus (talk) 02:25, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually, consider that User:Dronebogus is being intolerant and disruptive. -- SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:27, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I’m not impressed with your kneejerk ad hominem assertion of bad faith, and am tempted to remove it as not contributing to constructive discussion. Do you have an actual point here or are you just insulting me? Dronebogus (talk) 12:34, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Per smokeyjoe’s demands, we have WP:UBX policy restrictions (inflammatory and divisive, promotes annexation against the will of the local population) and WP:SOAPBOX (once again promotes annexation) `Dronebogus (talk) 12:38, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Or alternatively, if this was “this user thinks Ukraine is Russian territory” we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Keep in mind a war was fought over this, with Argentina as the aggressor. Dronebogus (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I remember a British imperialist box promoting mass annexation that was also deleted. Dronebogus (talk) 12:43, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support deletion per above, based on my reading of WP:UBCR's restrictions on propaganda and advocacy it is completely unacceptable for there to be userboxes siding with the offensive belligerents in wars of aggression.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 20:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That's not a sensible policy. I'd imagine there are a lot of wars where one could state the aggressor was morally right, or that there's no clear aggressor or that both may call each other agressors. Super   Ψ   Dro  19:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. The question of the Malvinas Islands is internationally unresolved. This userbox reflects the official Argentinian position.  I am far more concerned that the motivation of this MfD reflects anglosphere hegemony than there is danger of disruption from the existence of this userbox.  Personally, I would argue for toning down its language from advocacy "This wikipedian advocates for the sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands and demands British unemployment" to something more scholarly, eg "This Wikipedian has interest in Argentinian claim of sovereignty of Argentina over the Malvinas Islands".   I do admit to not understanding what the "demands British unemployment" is about, I suspect a mis-translation.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:54, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I figured it meant either “British renunciation/ceding of sovereignty” or, possibly and more grimly, “ethnic cleansing of British Falklanders” Dronebogus (talk) 05:30, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * At best this means the ubx wants the UK government to transfer the islands to Argentina in direct opposition to their inhabitants; at worst this userbox is just plain racist and ethno/linguistic-nationalist. Dronebogus (talk) 05:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it is simply irredentist. But not stupid, not nonsense. It’s not disruptive, and can be tolerated, and should be tolerated because the mere perception of censorship is much worse than a little userbox. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:39, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I think starting a war over an archipelago with a population smaller than my hometown (which is not big) and remaining bitter about it for 40 years is pretty stupid. Dronebogus (talk) 05:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think bringing userboxes of departed users to MfD, on the basis that the userbox is stupid, is stupid.
 * I recommend that you first consider blanking such userboxes with a courteous explanation in the edit summary. Come to MfD only after a talk page discussion gets stuck. SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I think stupidity is stupid. Dronebogus (talk) 10:45, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Free speech. Stop trying to censor opinions you don’t agree with. SK2242 (talk) 09:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * While I'm not exactly the most experienced here, I believe divisive viewpoints are forbidden under the userbox policy. I'm not going to cast a non-vote here because I don't feel that I have enough experience with the topic of the falklands to make a judgement. That being said, I urge you to reconsider the reason behind your non-vote. ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᶜᵒᵐᵐᵘⁿᶦᶜᵃᵗᶦᵒⁿˢ  14:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * what Plutonical is saying is that you need an actual policy based reason to keep/delete or the closer has a right to reject your vote. Dronebogus (talk) 14:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep the userbox is not that bad. It merely expresses a viewpoint. It can't be somehow correlated to racism or genocide. But the "British unemployment" part could be rewritten or just deleted. Super   Ψ   Dro  19:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: the userbox express a legitimate sovereignty claim. It is not offensive or disruptive at all as the nominator claimed. In fact, the claim has been the Argentine official position since they were occupied by the British so removing that template would be as close as possible to an act of censorship. As an Argentine myself, I am proud of that sense of ownership to Malvinas. And this does not mean that I have some resentment or animosity towards the British citicens, at least in my case it is exactly the opposite. Fma12 (talk) 09:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep per WP:SKCRIT, withdrawn by nominator. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:39, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Doesn't apply because User:Vanilla_Wizard supports deletion. -- SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Then snow close it. Dronebogus (talk) 06:25, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * What’s the rush? SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.