Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User en-6


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the discussion was Delete Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 22:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:User en-6
The category (to which this template still links today) was deleted almost two years ago. The previous discussion ended with no consensus, but I think things have changed since then. No other language has a 6-level hierarchy, and this still seems rather redundant to en-5, which should be high enough for virtually any purpose here on Wikipedia. -- Powers T 13:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's no significant difference between "professional" and "professorial" in this context; whether or not you're a professor in the subject makes no real difference to your understanding of the language in question. Considering one would need a degree to become a professor anyway, anyone qualified to that level in a language is covered adequately by the en-5, "professional" template already. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 22:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep There is a difference, especially in foreign countries where "Professor" is a specific title. A cub reporter is a "professional" user of English. I would hope and trust that a "Professor" would be able to deal with etymology, grammatical usage and the like far beyond the cub's skills. Collect (talk) 11:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is my position that a person able to use English to the level of your hypothetical professor is exactly the person for whom en-5 was designed. Either en-4 or "en" (depending on which is his first language) is sufficient for your hypothetical reporter.  Powers T 12:28, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, your cub reporter, as you define him, would likely be level 3, and your professor, as you define him, level 4. See ILR scale. - jc37 00:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename. The template is reasonable as a boast, I suppose, but no other language goes to 6 levels so it's not really suitable. Stifle (talk) 12:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyone at that level should communicate far better than with such a userbox. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Lol, --Anna Lincoln (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and Haipa Doragon. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep Shows that you have an above-professional understanding of english. at-210 discovered elements ∞ what am I? 21:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what "above-professional" means. To me, "professional" is the pinnacle; it means one's command of English is beyond reproach.  I can't fathom what would be above that.  Powers T 02:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep As a language, English is very complex, such that it's perfectly possible to be at an en-6 level. I can't think of anything better for it to be called besides "professorial". Magnetic Rag (talk) 21:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The scale is arbitrary; any language could have six levels. The question is whether we need six levels.  What does this sixth level tell me about someone that en-5 doesn't?  Powers T 02:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Scale needs to go to 11. - TunaSushi (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * en-11: "This user created the English language ... and the heavens and the earth." –Black Falcon (Talk) 18:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Haipa Doragon. When native English speakers have to guess about what it means to be at a particular level of proficiency, maybe we've taken it a little too far... As LtPowers notes, this template doesn't tells us anything about a user that isn't covered by en-5. –Black Falcon (Talk) 18:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For all you above who seem unaware: Level 4 is the professional/professorial level - Please see ILR scale. There simply is no level 6, and this should be speedy deleted. (Though replaced with level 4 may be acceptable as well.) - jc37 00:06, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that the Babel levels were based on ILR scale. If that's the case, you ought to nominate en-5 for deletion as well.  Powers T 00:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The -5 level seems to be for native speakers... –Black Falcon (Talk) 17:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, but in Babel, we just use "en" for native speakers. Powers T 22:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, right... I'd forgotten about that. It does seem a little redundant to have both a "-5 level" and a separate "-N level. –Black Falcon (Talk) 03:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete- Seems like a trophy for language proficiency. There's not really a definitive standard for "professorial" english, and it seems redundant, considering en-5. Perfect Proposal  01:07, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete en-6 speakers are human and likely make enough oversight mistakes to be pereceived like "normal" en-5 speakers. No need for a separate template for this purpose. – sgeureka t•c 12:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep- you may be able to speak English but not at a professorial level. so like if two en-6s are talk we can feel free to use are large vocabulary.1:-Þ (talk) 02:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I sincerely hope that this was for humourous value. (If not I'll quickly apologise, and return to a quiet corner, to contemplate the subjectivity of self-placement in a grouping...) - jc37 02:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Meaningless. In my experience, the ability of professors to communicate in their own language varies by discipline, training and inclination. Mackensen (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Wait, shouldn't this be a TfD? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 18:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No, see the list at Miscellany for deletion. It was decided some time ago (I honestly don't know where or why, though I guess it's because userboxes are found in at least three namespaces: Template, User, and Wikipedia) that all userboxes should be discussed at MfD. –Black Falcon (Talk) 18:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. Well, that is odd. Thanks. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 18:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: We have "Professional" and we have "Native". Why do we need "Professorial"? Queenie  18:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.