Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User wikipedia/AWB user2

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  no consensus.  bibliomaniac 1  5  19:29, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:User wikipedia/AWB user2

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 * CrazyBoy826 (talk) 19:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sulfurboy (talk) 10:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Some merge of Template:User wikipedia/AWB user2 and AutoWikiBrowser/Userbox 2 would make sense. I suggest deleting the one in template namespace and renaming the older one in Wikipedia namespace there leaving a redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy (talk) 10:45, 1 May 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Find some easily found WP:ATD. Feeding userbox maintenance through mfd is not constructive. Redirect to the userbox recommended to use instead. If no such preferred alternative, keep.  Currently unused is not a sufficient reason to delete. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Read the nomination. Both userboxes are used. Because the older one is in Wikipedia namespace instead of Template, I suggest deleting the one in Template namespace to move the Wikipedia one there with a redirect. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 08:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no acceptable deletion rational. Both have long non-trivial histories.  You can move the newer one to a different title (eg  Template:User wikipedia/AWB user2 (December 2012) without redirect, and WP:Move Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Userbox 2 to the vacated title.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Swap, then redirect - The history of both pages can be maintained. See WP:SWAP. This is really a requested move; in the future, WP:RM/TR (for uncontroversial requests) or WP:RM can be used. WP:MFD is not for moves or merges. See also WP:MERGEPROP (though these are seemingly exactly the same). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 18:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But why should they be maintained? The histories will get confusing unnecessarily as that redirect will have nothing to do with what was previously on the page, which was a duplicate of the target, but which previously was under the name under which the redirect now would be. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I diaagree. What happened will be easily, clearly viewable in the page history, especially so if edit and move summaries are taken advantage of (and even if not, purely from the logs). Conversely, there is no reason to obscure the whole story from public view (which could lead to confusion for those who have contributed to the pages who cannot find the history or anyone else who seeks it later). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A title swap is a reasonable, but there is a likely confusion with a different userbox transcluding into an old page verion, creating the appearance of a false record. It would be better to put the new one at a new title.  Or disambiguate both old userboxes by their creation date, and make a new one at a new title to start a clean history going forwards. Put the explanation on the talk page.  Deletions won't clear this up, they will hide the confusion and potential make something worse.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't quite understand what you mean. The page with a redirect would simply be a template redirect that displays the content of the other page when transcluded. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 21:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CrazyBoy826 (talk) 19:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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