Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Kuril Islands

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  speedy delete.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 21:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор/Userboxes/Kuril Islands

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So obscure that hardly anyone will use it, this userbox was created by a user known for supporting Soviet/Russian propaganda and Russian irredentism, on top of that. —Sundostund (talk) 13:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete as propaganda. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete typical nationalist irredentist posturing from unproductive user. Not particularly offensive but I’ll support any uncontroversial deletion of WP:SOAPBOXing. Dronebogus (talk) 19:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Misuse of Wikipedia. Johnuniq (talk) 00:52, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - don't see how the propaganda/soapbox reasoning applies when it's a userpage and nonpromotional in nature. Do we delete all similarly nationalist userboxes on that basis? Kind regards, ToeSchmoker (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It should be a case by case basis as there is nothing wrong with having nationalist views on Wikipedia within reason. The wording on the template is provocative and looks like it is meant to trigger an argument rather than just having an innocent position on the matter. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Something being provocative is subjective. If we went and deleted all userboxes which could at all in any manner provoke someone then I'm not sure we'd have many userboxes at all (if any). It's a flawed way to go out about removing something. ToeSchmoker (talk) 15:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Personally I just hate nationalism on Wikipedia because it’s frequently connected to disruptive behavior. Dronebogus (talk) 19:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "Personally" being the operative word... userboxes don't revolve around your own feelings/views, I'm afraid. It's a way for other editors to express themselves. There are userboxes I do not agree with but I don't advocate their deletion just because I dislike their subject matter. This seems to be the recurring theme with these recent deletion nominations - I do not like it, so it must go. Kind regards, ToeSchmoker (talk) 19:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be missing the point. WP:UBX explicitly bans “divisive or inflammatory” userboxes. Dronebogus (talk) 19:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not missing anything. UBX doesn't "explicitly" ban anything, it's a set of guidelines. Given the userbox isn't breaching the civility policy there's nothing wrong with it. If UBX was a set of hard and fast rules then userboxes would be getting deleted left, right and centre for "divisive" or "negative" verbs, let alone their actual content. ToeSchmoker (talk) 20:12, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I am sure the closing administrators have heard time and time again the "if you delete this userbox then you have to delete them all" argument. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. I’m going to make a list of “arguments to avoid in userbox discussions”, including that one and “disruptive userboxes are a warning that the user is crazy, so we should keep them” Dronebogus (talk) 05:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they have but that's not the argument I'm making. I was explaining how the userbox guidelines don't "explicitly ban" anything that doesn't violate actual Wiki policy. I would agree the wording of "... Islands are ..." could be substituted with something that better implies personal opinion but it's hardly a gross infraction. Furthermore, I don't really see the point in actually debating these guidelines in relation to these specific nominations because as far as I can ascertain they're being applied as something as an afterthought with the primary reason for deletion boiling down to "I personally don't like it" given words like "tankie" (not in this instance) and "propaganda" being flung around. Worth mentioning that the former ("tankie") is a pejorative term so it'd probably be best to retract as that would go against WP:CIVILITY even if the user is no longer active. ToeSchmoker (talk) 17:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete This one isn't the worst userbox this user's produced, but still overly propagandistic. I've no problem with the wording of "This user supports Russia in the Kuril Islands dispute.", that's fine. However, the large + bolded + italicized "The Kuril Islands are Russian, not Japanese" is too WP:SOAPy. Cleaning it up would involve replacing the userbox-2 template with the userbox template, and if one is to remake it from scratch, they may as well make a newer, better userbox.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 04:26, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be my main issue as well. The template can be fixed, but unfortunately falls under the revdel problem. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't consider this so inflammatory as to warrant deletion given the wide community flexibility on userboxes. AusLondonder (talk) 13:07, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Delete ALL their subpages, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/User:Поль_Крол_Злой_Диктатор/


 * As I noted on their main Userpage mfd, this user is WP:NOTHERE, here only to stir trouble, that is, troll, with problem Userboxes, and as a non-contributor, all their subpages are U5-eligible, except for some !voting “keep” on them. While some are offensive, others terrible, and some more benign, discussing all of them individually is a waste of editor time.  None are of value.  Delete them all.  SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree with both your view of the editor, and the proposal to delete all of their subpages. They are worthless, and pretty much just a waste of space on the project. —Sundostund (talk) 00:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Scottywong, would you please review your close of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Поль Крол Злой Диктатор and the argument that all the user’s subpages should be deleted, per that MfD, and CSD#U5. SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm mistaken, that MfD wasn't created to discuss the deletion of all subpages. If that's the intention, I'd recommend starting an MfD for that explicit purpose. Although, you've got a point about U5. The user has only made 163 edits, and about 2/3 of them are to these userbox subpages. The other 1/3 were to articles, but they all appear to have been reverted. I don't see any point in wasting more time on deleting these one by one. I'll delete them now.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 21:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.