Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Access Denied

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was keep. Hey Mid  (contribs) 19:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Access Denied
And everything else in Special:PrefixIndex/User:Access Denied/ (his subpages could be useful, so withdrawing that part) ; per WP:DENY - he's become a hopeless, attention-starved troll who does nothing but vandalize. No need to give him the recognition he craves. Dylan620 (t • c • r) 00:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose I would rather leave the userpage and subpages of the "master account" and invoke DENY by deleting the pages of and not tagging socks, because it's the socks he wants attention via, not the master account. I'll probably be in the minority here, but that's where I stand. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 00:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The attention that Access Denied currently craves does not revolve around his master account's user page; rather, it's centered around his many socks and trolls that he has created. I agree with Ks0stm; don't tag any other socks and/or trolls that come up. I think we should leave the master account's user page as a starting point for SPI investigators. The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 01:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose and question why you also used the word "hopeless" to describe him. mechamind  9  0  04:12, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Will get back to you in the morning, when I can think clearly; it's nearly midnight where I live. --Dylan620 (t • c • r) 04:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so do you really think we have much hope for Access at this point? He was blocked for socking abusively, and after apologizing, he proceeded to create well over a dozen more sock accounts. Maybe he's not completely hopeless, judging from the (extremely remote) chance that he could contribute constructively again, but if so, it won't be for a long time. I think he's trying to make it so that there's absolutely no chance whatsoever of him being allowed back. --Dylan620 (t • c • r) 19:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion. Enthusiastic but immature contributor.  He'll be back, matured or otherwise.  Redirect all subpages to the main userpage, properly tagged as it is.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't know the background of his socking and trolling as I was in a Wikibreak at the time. However, I believe he was a good contributor, and I don't see why an admin would not accept his standard offer if he offers one and proves that he's changed.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 06:40, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose deletion Properly Tagged as normal. Remove this = confuse people. Not an aspect of WP:DENY. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  13:29, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:DENY is one of the most misunderstood essays on Wikipedia. Doing anything whatsoever based on hat we think a troll things or wants is providing recognition. The only true way to deny recognition to trolls is to treat them all exactly the same as each other and give ZERO thought as to what they want or do not want, whether they may want to be banned or their socks found or whatever. It would be even better if there was an automated bot that would just handle this stuff mechanically, but since that option isn't available, the next best thing is to follow the policy and previous common practice to the letter. He's a puppeteer, so leave his userpage tagged as such. When such time comes that he should be banned, ban him. The number of socks he's created so far is kindergarten compared to some of the accounts listed at WP:List of banned users. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 18:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Whatever ends up happening here, would anyone object to moving his CSD examples page into my userspace? I'll be able to make good use of it, and I don't want to see it go to waste because the user went batshit crazy.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 20:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you mention this, since I had actually gone to his userpage to go take the CSD examples in addition to mine. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * People who find his userspace stuff useful should note Copying within Wikipedia. If you copy it, note explicitly where it came from and who wrote it.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like this won't happen, at least for now, but will that keep attribution requirements if the original gets deleted? I would think so, but I want to be 100% sure.  The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 23:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe so. However, if you really think it is useful, perhaps it should be moved into project space.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - needs to have his socks known. If it is deleted, non-sysops won't be able to see the sock category, which, by the way, has had several more socks added to it recently. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, there are even more socks now than I remember. He is acting just like the 4chan vandals he used to fight. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Now has just deleted the page Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Access Denied! I have asked him to please restore the page. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Removal does not benefit WP in any way I can see. Collect (talk) 14:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and also agree with Utahraptor's reasoning on his suggestion using Access Denied's user page as a starting point for our sockpuppet investigations page. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:28, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep/Oppose - I see no net in deleting page, but I must also question why the nom thought it was actually troll-feeding, or recognition giving.. it's just a simple template telling others the user is blocked for X.—  Dæ  dαlus + Contribs 10:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This should be closed per WP:SNOW. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 19:16, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. In an attempt to deny attention to a serial sockpuppeteer, User:Dylan620 does the most counter-productive thing possible and dedicates an entire discussion to them. Please SNOW close this.--Atlan (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
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