Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Annette Maon/Don't loop up

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

User:Annette Maon/Don't loop up

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WP:NOTESSAY, user essay unrelated to Wikipedia. Does not technically meet CSD U5 since the user has substantial contributions outside of userspace. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

"Quoting from: User pages The subpage proposed for deletion qualifies as "Work in progress or material that you may come back to in future (usually on subpages).

I posted it as a relatively new user, still learning the ropes. I chose to request feedback at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy for a draft of a bold edit instead of posting it directly because I suspected it might be controversial and that it would require significant improvement before parts of it are ready to be posted on mainspace.

I am aware that there may be several issues with my proposed draft including but not limited to the question of whether portions of it may be WP:OR. This is the reason I posted it as a draft in user space and asked for feedback. I would welcome feedback from or anyone else, but if the page gets deleted from userspace, there would be nothing left to get feedback on.

Up until now I have not seen any criticism (constructive or otherwise) of the actual content from. Is this how Wikipedia welcomes new editors trying to learn the ropes?

With regard to the content itself please see the talk page.

Annette Maon (talk) 22:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is written like an advocacy piece instead of a neutral encyclopedic summary of the topic. It should look more like: "Don't Look Up is viewed by many as an allegory for climate change denial," instead of: "Make no mistake, Don't Look Up is a chilling allegory for climate change." And the content does indeed look like OR, as it is presenting evidence from primary sources that you think supports the POV; it should be based solely on statements from reliable secondary sources. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:09, 27 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. I would be the first to acknowledge that the content still needs much work.  Do you still think it should be deleted from userspace?
 * There are several secondary sources that explicitly mention the climate change allegory in interviews with DiCaprio and Mainzer but it would be pointless for me to dig them up if it is all going to be deleted eventually. Frankly the fact that some of it looks like OR bothers me too. I would prefer to find a way to mention that the film's satire also targets so called "scientists" and mainstream (WP:RS) media without using so much text that looks like OR just to make a point.  If that is not possible, I would be content to leave the text in user space (or move it to the talk page of the user space) until a secondary source becomes available.
 * Can we put the MfD on hold and move to talk page for a discussing the details? Annette Maon (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait for someone else to give their opinion. –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:14, 28 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep: Acceptable use of userspace. To the extent that it varies from looking like material intended for mainspace, it is well within reasonable leeway for a contributor.   SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per SmokeyJoe. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:50, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - based on the user explaining it's intended for the article (material in userspace only has to be good enough for mainspace when it's moved to mainspace). &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 21:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.