Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ash/analysis

User:Ash/analysis



 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Nom withdrawn Beeblebrox closed it but something got b0rked so I'm re-closing. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Page is clearly in violation of WP:USER and exacerbates already difficult communication between User:Ash and me. I have asked Ash to have the page deleted, but they have delayed by saying they asked for the opinion of an unnamed admin and also started a discussion on WP:EAR in whihc they were advised to delete the page. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - You are forum shopping. The discussion at EAR was not complete. This request for deletion is not appropriate, it is an aggressive and threatening act. At this point you appear to be blatantly bullying your way rather than making reasonable attempt at resolution. Ash (talk) 17:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - The only author of the page already agreed to copy the page offline. If you had waited a few hours he would have likely tagged it db-self.  Oof.  ~a (user • talk • contribs) 17:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ash knew that I was not prepared to wait indefinitely for the page to be deleted and at 15:46 I allowed an hour for them to get a reply from an admin that they claimed to have contacted. I suggested that Ash ask for it to be deleted and if the admin later agreed that it was not a violation of WP:USER, they could recreate it. When I started typing this MfD, Ash had not yet posted their intention to remove the page, so I was unaware of the agreement. Regardless, there's no reason for the page to exist. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The page is in compliance with the USER guidance for preparation for dispute resolution. As Delicious carbuncle stated on my user talk page "Of course I have no objection to you compiling factual information (diffs) for some form of dispute resolution to be started in the very near future". The only rationale for moving off-wiki was to avoid annoying Delicious carbuncle. As they are already angry, that rationale for removal from my userspace now seems redundant. Ash (talk) 18:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please stop assuming my state of mind. I'm not angry, nor was I at any point in our conversation. You should re-read WP:USER and note the parts about "diffs" and "timely". If this page isn't deleted now, I'm not willing to let it hang around forever if you're not prepared to pursue some form of dispute resolution. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This has been raised on three forums so far, my talk page (where I wrote to an admin for advice), I raised the matter on WP:EAR as you were so impatient and then you took this aggressive path of raising a deletion request. You have already been forum-shopping, if the conclusion of this MfD is to keep then going to a fourth forum is unlikely to be well received by anybody. You do not set a time-table of when I go to dispute resolution about your unacceptable behaviour. Ash (talk) 18:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry if you misunderstood - WP:USER states that evidence pages may be permitted "provided the dispute resolution process is started in a timely manner" as WP:USER puts it. If no action is forthcoming in a "timely manner" I will ask again for the page to be deleted per the guidance of WP:USER. If you don't intend to do something in the very near future, you should compile this information on your own computer. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:48, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Try taking responsibility for your actions rather than making this situation my fault. You made an explicit threat by setting a deadline of 1 hour for me to delete the page or you would go to ANI. You have delayed any plans I may have had for preparing for dispute resolution by using up all my wiki-time for this unnecessary debate over three forums as well as disrupting the RFC I raised on Talk:List of male performers in gay porn films. Blaming me for your tactical disruptive editing and pressuring me to go to dispute resolution, when I have already pointed out that I am prepared to let the matter drop if your behaviour changes, is obvious escalation. You have raised two pointless ANI's against me so far, you know that raising a third pointless ANI about me when I have raised no complaints about you would go down like a lead balloon. Right now I have a family to attend to, your need to argue with Wikipedia contributors will have to be satisfied elsewhere. Ash (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You agreed to take down the page, is it still your intention to do this? ~a (user • talk • contribs) 18:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:MFD, though it may appear so at times, is not a cudgel for personal (ab)use.--WaltCip (talk) 20:23, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you care to explain that? How does asking for a page that maligns me in violation WP:USER to be deleted equate to any kind of abuse? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Stated purpose is a protected one in userspace (preparation for WP process). Collect (talk) 13:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Collect's comment above. I've read through WP:USER and can't find any evidence that Ash is using this page inappropriately. Can you clarify with exactly which portion he is violating? (Additionally, I would not say "timely" means within minutes or according to your need, but within a reasonable amount of time...days, perhaps, or within a week.  Giving another user a timeline is, at least, bullying, and at worst, threatening.  And it certainly doesn't show you are giving WP:AGF )   38.109.88.196 (talk) 16:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you ask, let me quote the relevant passage: "Material that can be viewed as attacking other editors, including the recording of perceived flaws. The compilation of factual evidence (diffs) in user subpages, for purposes such as preparing for a dispute resolution process, is permitted provided the dispute resolution process is started in a timely manner. Users should not maintain in public view negative information on others without very good reason." Links to ANI threads are not likely to be adequate evidence for any dispute resolution process, which is why the guideline specifies "diffs". The statement that it is in preparation for some form of dispute resolution came after this MfD was begun and seems at odds with the statement that the page is "an attempt at a neutral analysis". However, since I now see that Ash has claimed that this is in preparation for further action I will withdraw my MfD request. If nothing has happened within a week of that statement, I will MfD it again. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I made a clear statement about this in the discussion at WP:EAR (diff) on 10 March at 16.25, you then replied to this statement at 16.33 (see diff). You created this MfD on 10 March at 16.54, that is 21 minutes after you replied to my statement about the purpose of my userspace subpage. To say "I now see that Ash has claimed..." when you already knew the facts before raising this MfD is a blatent attempt to mislead as to what has happened here by re-ordering events to suite your argument. The fact that you are still attempting to set threatening deadlines in order to escalate the issue has not gone unnoticed. I recall you repeatedly calling me "liar" in a previous ANI, this seems highly ironic. Ash (talk) 18:02, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This all seems a little pointless after I've just said that I will withdraw the MfD, but I will do my best to explain. You stated that you "plan to use a dispute resolution process ... unless your behaviour improves in the near future". Note my response says "until such time as you do". I had not seen the statement on the page under discussion until just now. I expect to see something filed in a timely manner. I stand by my earlier statements. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn - Since Ash has added a statement to the page that it is in preparation for a dispute resolution process, I am withdrawing this MfD for the time being. Feel free to close. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.