Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Basket of Puppies/Editorials

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  no consensus. ‑Scottywong | [babble] || 17:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

User:Basket of Puppies/Editorials

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First, this essay, currently in userspace, was cross namespace redirected, and, if I am not mistaken, such cross namespace redirections go against the relevant policies and guidelines. Second, the essay is an orphan, the author was indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry back in 2012. Yeah, in general good faith contributors are allowed more freedom to work on personal essays, in userspace - but this contributor was not a good faith contributor, and, being indefinitely blocked, they can't return to work on this. Third, literally no one is reading this essay. It shows almost 600 reads, but they all occurred in 2019 when it was in the wikipedia namespace, and was first subject to an MfD. Here is the 2019 Mfd Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Editorials. I think the key point is that policy and guidelines say that cross namespace redirections like this are a bad idea. FWIW there is just one incoming link, where the person who made the link voices confusion over WTF the essay is redirected from wikipedia space. Geo Swan (talk) 04:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Geo Swan, could you please explicitly quote and link the "relevant policies and guidelines". There is an essay, Cross-namespace redirects, which I think is both informative and correct.  The only forbidden redirects are one that take unsuspecting readers out of the main namespace.  And even then there are so many exceptions, tags frequently link Wikipedia pages, for example.
 * Userspace essays are not required to be non-orphans. Essays are not culled based on pageviews.  I think you are attempting a side-door editor review of User:Basket of Puppies.  Is there an actual problem that you wanted to mention?  Or did you just want to advertise the page to generate a burst of pageviews?  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:58, 20 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - "First, this essay, currently in userspace, was cross namespace redirected." If that is true, please link those now-deleted pages. That aside, cross-namespace redirects that originate anywhere but the mainspace are generally kosher. Finally, besides being very short, this page seems very benign. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 13:31, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - We don't need userspace essays in the userspace of banned users or sockmasters. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Nominate the cross-namespace redirect for deletion if you like, but this is just a userspace essay. Being banned, unless this was created in violation of said ban, is not a reason to delete (nor is not "needing" a page). &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 14:25, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I retargeted Editorials to Manual of Style/Words to watch, which is where Editorial goes. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 00:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.