Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Billkirwin

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  DELETE If this is based on a press release then usification would be a copy vio - even with a courtesy blankSpartaz Humbug! 09:53, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

User:Billkirwin


Wikipedia is not LinkedIn Whpq (talk) 04:31, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I realize the Wikipedia is not linked in, however my name has some notoriety as the founder of Total Cost of Ownership (TCO). I am often searched when people search TCO and would like Wikipedia to come up as a source.

I can edit the page to make it less like a social media description. Did not realize that was a no no 99.124.225.248 (talk) 21:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, not really. Userpages are for introducing yourself as a Wikipedian.  To become a Wikipedia, you need to improve content, content not about yourself.  If you do become an editor, you get more leeway.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Promotion by a non-contributor.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:41, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Promote to mainspace (how often do you see that at MfD? :-) There is some evidence that the user's claim to be the father of TCO is true. As such, we should promote it to mainspace and see if it survives WP:NOTEBLP. --Surturz (talk) 05:25, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - This user page is entirely unsuited for mainspace. It would be an unreferenced WP:BLP, and it entirely promotional in tone (seems to be copy of press release material: see  as one example).  If a mainspace article about Bill Kirwin is supportable, it would need to be written from scratch. -- Whpq (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The first version of a BLP doesn't have to be very good, that is what the wiki process is for. Writing from scratch would also an option though. --Surturz (talk) 23:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * But the first version of an article cannot be a copyvio given that the bio seems ot be coied from a press release and we do not have a free license asserted for the text. -- Whpq (talk) 23:57, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * NOTE TO CLOSING ADMIN - if the verdict is delete, please userfy the article in my userspace and I will have a stab at bringing it up to encyclopedia quality. --Surturz (talk) 23:36, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Please note the potential for non free text in such a situation when considering userfication. -- Whpq (talk) 23:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Good point, a courtesy blank might be needed. --Surturz (talk) 00:47, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.