Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Bob rulz/List of shopping malls in Utah

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  Keep - Material for encyclopaedia writing, user still wants it. Wily D 06:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Bob rulz/List of shopping malls in Utah


WP:STALEDRAFT. Untouched since 2008, info is horribly outdated. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:23, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is essentially someone's userspace notes.  Wikipedians are entitled, even encouraged, to keep notes in thier userspace.  Notes don't have to be an unreadable mess, it is perfectly reasonable to wikify you notes, and to link to ongoing articles is not a bad thing.  I have tagged it as Userspace notes should anyone be misled, per WP:FAKEARTICLE.  WP:STALEDRAFT doesn't apply.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:42, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How is this "userspace notes"? It's an article in userspace, and the user hasn't touched it in 4 years. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The new tag on the top helps. It is userspace notes obviously useful for the improvement of List_of_shopping_malls_in_the_United_States. Currently, I think these notes should be put to use in imprving that list.  The list is more incomplete than the userpace page, and the list lacks the brief summaries/comments normally expected in a list article, making the list different to the category, Category:Shopping malls in the United States.  I think it should be left alone until someone makes use of it.  If it were substantially inaccurate, then I would suggest converting to a redirect.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And how many more years do you propose that it gather dust in userspace? Also, List of shopping malls in Utah was deleted via AFD in 2006. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That AfD wasn't ambiguous, was it? It may be helpful to test List of shopping malls in the United States at AfD.  If it can be kept, the others should have been redirected to it.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * While I suppose I wouldn't overly care if this were deleted, and I realize that I haven't touched it in years, I don't see the harm in keeping this around. If I'm essentially being prompted to update it and spin it off into an actual article, maybe this is the catalyst I need to do so. However, if a well-written List of shopping malls in Utah article wouldn't pass the notability scrutiny, then I see no reason to keep it around because the ultimate point of the article would be lost. bob rulz (talk) 06:35, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep for the reasons given by SmokeyJoe. There is not a time limit on Wikipedia, and we are not running out of space. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 16:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I am concerned that SmokeyJoe is trying to create a precedent that will result in the retention of huge amounts of useless material to the detriment of WP. (The clichéd "we are not running out of space" argument is not relevant here.) If bob rulz does want to "update it and spin it off into an actual article" that's obviously fine, assuming the reasons for deletion of List of shopping malls in Utah in 2006 are addressed. However it seems he is not confident of being able to do this, hence the best solution is deletion. -- Klein  zach  01:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That's an absurd guess at my intention,and I dispute your conclusion (the detriment of WP), questions of validity of the premise aside. The principle is that userspace material that can be used to improve mainspace should not be deleted, but used to improve mainspace, and that there are no deadlines.  On the bigger question of this sort of material (lists of malls), you might consider commenting at Talk:List_of_shopping_malls_in_the_United_States.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:36, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * As you know, I've been away and the 'userspace notes' idea is new to me. Can you clarify how this fits in with WP:STALEDRAFT? The operative words there are "Userspace . . . should not be used to indefinitely host pages" (my italics). That implies that there are indeed implicit deadlines. -- Klein  zach  03:19, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Welcome back! "Userspace notes" is not, to my knowlege, a technical term, but an obvious use of userspace, to make notes.  Notes intended usually to be useful for the improvement of mainspace.  The line here is on the question of "STALE".  Are these old notes of no realistic future use?  I think they are useful.  The content on this page is near-immediately useful to the improvement of List_of_shopping_malls_in_the_United_States.  At least, I think so.  Also assumed, is that List_of_shopping_malls_in_the_United_States is a worthy article.  Here, I hesitate, knowing that malls are an old inclusionist-deletionist battleground. In this case, I think that the summary information for each mall belongs in the list article, for each mall.  I believe that the main advantage of a list over a category is ability of the list to include a helpful summary.  (you've probably read WP:CLS)  Therefore, the content is not stale.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If the content is of 2008, in what sense is it "near-immediately useful"? (P.S. Thanks for the welcome!) -- Klein zach  05:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's "near-immediately useful" in that the userpage content would improve the mainspace page by little more than copying it in there. I think the userpage content could be integrated into the mainspace article right now.  Almost always, I advocate editing mainspace pages directly, and not making draft pages, or at least not making them for longer than a day or so.  I am not doing the editing already because most people think it is bad to do major edits that prejudice an XfD outcome.  If I copied the content into mainspace now, then I'd have to say "don't delete because deletion will now violate our licencing", and then someone would point out that I am disrupting this XfD.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep for three months to allow to integrate the draft's content into List of shopping malls in the United States. If there has been no action after three months, then I have no prejudice to renomination at MfD. Cunard (talk) 01:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am okay with that. bob rulz (talk) 01:31, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.