Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Chubbles/The Myrchents

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete. — ξ xplicit  00:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

User:Chubbles/The Myrchents


I can find no evidence that this band meets the criteria for inclusion, and as such it is destined apparently to always remain a user draft. The three sources do not meet the significant coverage at independent reliable source requirements: Buckeye Beat appears independent, but I cannot verify it's reliability; the loti.com reference consists of a single short sentence, and the Vinyl Market one is a single-entry on a list of "The Top 100 Ebay sales prices for Columbus area recordings". I contacted about it on [16th June] - that user replied on my talk page on [17th June] saying it was basically a draft, but that they thought the band was notable. Apart from a bot modifying the infobox, nothing has been done on the article since it was created in October 2007. I had a look for sources, but couldn't find any. I feel that as I have given the editor a couple of weeks to work on this - and they have been active every day since I initially contacted them, with a gap of 3 days) - this is unlikely to end up in main space, and as such should be deleted.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 19:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * IAR Keep and move to mainspace. While the nominator is correct that the article does not meet the WP:GNG, and WP:RS seem unavailable through Google, there does seem to be some interest in the band among vinyl record fans, and lots of non-WP:RS links from hobbyist sites. This is the sort of Long Tail article that benefits WP. The mention of how much the band's records are worth on eBay should probably be removed though. --Surturz (talk) 06:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest, if this were in mainspace, it'd be currently up for deletion at AfD rather than MfD! Although I understand Surturz's 'long tail' argument, surely the fact that by their own admission this does not meet GNG and there are no RS available indicates that it does not merit an entry in the encyclopedia?  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 15:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm recommending we ignore all rules on this one, based on the observation that there is still some interest in the band fifty years later. Who knows? It might attract some vinyl enthusiasts to become useful WP editors. --Surturz (talk) 00:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete The talk page guidelines state "Userspace ... should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles..." (at WP:STALEDRAFT) and this is a userspace draft which was created and never edited (apart from a bot changing infobox layout) in four and three quarter years, so it is beginning to look pretty "indefinite". As for Surturz's suggestion, if we started treating "there does seem to be some interest ... and lots of non-WP:RS links from hobbyist sites" as grounds for keeping articles we would have a hell of a lot of articles on completely non-notable subjects. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Four and one half + years since the last edit. Yes, its a WP:STALEDRAFT. Delete. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 07:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete not everything in which people are interested is suitable for Wikipedia articles, since we require notability and reliable sources before the articles are written, not vice versa. IAR is not a substitute for GNG and V. BencherliteTalk 09:17, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment "Ignore all rules" is for occasions when a policy or guideline would have a harmful effect which that policy or guideline was not intended to have. It is not for situations where the policy or guideline is having exactly the effect it is intended to have, but one user happens to disagree with it. (And there is no doubt that the user in question does disagree with several policies and guidelines in this case. Surturz is on record as saying that he/she thinks that no userspace page of a user who is still active should ever be deleted under any circumstances, which, as far as I can see, amounts to saying that people should be allowed to use Wikipedia as a free web host.) JamesBWatson (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Any links other than your claim? There is nothing in IAR that states what you've just added. As you can see there is not much in IAR. If the consensus on the talk page agrees with your claim above, it makes me wonder why it is not added in the body of the essay. For the time being, I am disregarding your claim until I see concrete policy. Further, unless I have gone blind or lost all my faculties, I do not see anywhere in this discussion where Surturz expressedly stated what you've just accused them of.Tamsier (talk) 07:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I didn't intend my wording "is on record" to suggest that the statement was "in this discussion". The user has stated that elsewhere. I could spend time searching through his/her editing history to find a diff, but it doesn't seem worth it, since it has only marginal relevance to this discussion, and perhaps it would have been better had I not mentioned it. As for ignoring all rules being for cases where the policy or guideline has an unintended damaging effect, not for any situation where an individual editor dislikes the policy or guideline, I thought that was common sense. Otherwise, there would be no point in having policies guidelines, as we would all be free to ignore them whenever we felt like it. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia does not have firm rules" is one of the Five Pillars. Wikipedia runs on consensus, not rules. I think I am allowed to ask the community for an exception to a rule, and I believe I was polite in the manner in which I asked. Consensus does not mean unanimity, and I hope I have not been disrespectful to anyone in supporting the retention of this article. --Surturz (talk) 00:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * @ James - What constitute an "unintended damaging effect..." is a matter of subjective opinion. The guidelines are there, achieved through general consensus, not your "say-so". At present, your claim (above) is not supported by policy other than your own personal view. Again, until I see actual policy, your personal views should not be passed-off as Wiki policy. Tamsier (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Author Comment I drew up this draft a while back in response to an article-creation request. I don't have anything new to add to it at the moment. I'd like to keep it around (obviously, otherwise I would U1 it), but it seems to be attracting too much attention to be able to do so. Chubbles (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and move to mainspace - per Surturz.Tamsier (talk) 07:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Surturz outright admitted the band fails WP:GNG but still thinks it should be given a free pass because he likes it. Did he even read what he wrote? There is no way this would survive an AFD if it were out in the wild. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:26, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not just another garage band. It did fail at AfD, Articles for deletion/The Myrchents.  However, it has some sources, is historical (not promotional), and google produces many valid hits, and so conceivable could be further sourced to become a reasonable article, or merged into another.  Support undeletion when someone expresses a firm intention to work on it in a definite period.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Failed AfD, untouched for years == get rid of it. We're not an endless repository for our favorite bar bands.  If they ever satisfy WP:MUSIC then recreate in mainspace. Tarc (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete I searched on Google News Archive and was unable to find any sources for the band. The article draft itself states (my bolding): "The Myrchents were never more than a regional success story, though the regional Ohio garage scene (which included Eric Carmen's The Choir) had an impact on wider musical currents." It is unlikely that the userspace draft can be returned to mainspace. Per WP:STALEDRAFT and WP:NOTWEBHOST, the userspace draft should be deleted. But no prejudice to restoration if can find sources satisfying the Notability for the band. Cunard (talk) 23:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.