Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Cliffubba/sandbox

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete as "writings and material on topics having virtually no chance whatsoever of being directly useful to the project, its community, or an encyclopedia article" (WP:UP). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 00:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

User:Cliffubba/sandbox


Description of Original Research project work. Not encyclopaedic and inappropriate for talk page as well. Peridon (talk) 20:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Misuse of User talk: namespace. Achowat (talk) 20:42, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If the user continues, then the user needs to be blocked. --MuZemike 05:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Unless I'm missing something, this appears to be a new editor with one edit. I think we should AGF before we talk about blocking them. Roodog2k (talk) 18:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, but to be fair, MuZemike's comments were "if s/he continues..." Achowat (talk) 18:23, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did take note of that. But, I suspect that this is a case of pure ignorance, and we dont want to WP:BITE. Assuming this is a new user, and their first edit, we don't want to scare him/her away. I was afraid the discussion would turn into a dogpile. Roodog2k (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - up to this point in the discussion, the page concerned was User talk:Cliffubba. I have moved it to a sandbox in order to free this new user's talk page for a welcome message and an explanation of why his contribution is not suitable. JohnCD (talk) 09:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR and WP:NOTFORUM. This is never going to be an article. JohnCD (talk) 09:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as valid sandbox. Sandboxes are not subject to NOR etc. .  Nor is it required that only articles be in userspace. Collect (talk) 11:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To quote WP:UP, a user may not have excessive " writings, information, discussions, and activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals " Emphasis, mine . Your opinion makes it seem as though any such writing would be acceptable, which is clearly not the case. Achowat (talk) 12:29, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And since you ascribe something to me which I did not say, your response is of precious little value to the discussion at hand. Note the word excessive please. Collect (talk) 12:39, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologize if you think I've accused you of a position you don't hold, but I did no such thing. Your comments "made it seem" as though that was you position, it was a reductio ad absurdum which I think is fair. If you disagree, again I'm sorry.
 * But let's look at the term "excessive" in the light of both absolute and relative terms. comments, forgive me if I'm wrong, seem to suggest that you agree that this is writing unrelated to Wikipedia, so let's just focus on "excessive". Your In relative terms, it's a slam dunk. 100% of the page and 100% of the user's contributions are these writings. Absolute terms, you're looking at 11,323 bytes of text unrelated to Wikipedia. If this doesn't rise to the point of "excessive", I'm not sure what, if anything, does. Achowat (talk) 12:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Um -- when the history consists of one edit all of three days ago -- how many editors do you think would pass your test?  Oh?   See WP:BITE.  Collect (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess it's best just to agree to disagree and let the closing admin weigh our arguments. Achowat (talk) 13:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR and WP:UP. I fully endorse 's interpretation of the WP:UP guideline. Cunard (talk) 19:37, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep not all sandboxes have to be articles, some can be tests. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  19:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.