Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:DCFan101/Secret Page Challenge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Speedily deleted per user request those pages so tagged and per creator's delete comment below and per WP:SNOW. The sock subpages were also deleteable as subpages of indef blocked sock accounts. "Secret pages" are to be treated on a case by case basis per Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages. Though essentially harmless, this was just too much of maybe a good thing, and consensus is overwhelmingly clear that these, especially the subpages of the socks, were beyond acceptable userpage content. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  10:06, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

User:DCFan101/Secret Page Challenge

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 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
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 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
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 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.
 * As well as any pages associated with this I may have missed. I think this is all of them.

Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages
 * Precedent

The Secret Pages MfD was closed recommending that the worst cases (specifically fake secret pages) can be deleted outright. In this case, I believe all the "fake" pages either have been deleted or never existed. However, the MfD stated that other pages could be examined on a case-by-case basis. I am putting these up for such a review. Secret Pages provide no useful construction to the project as a whole. Wikipedia is not a webhost, it is an encyclopedia. Pages such as this detract from editor's time spent on constructive work. The main nominated page advertises the "Hard" difficulty as taking hours - to be fair, I found the correct link in about 10 seconds, however an editor that is spending hours on frivolous pursuits such as this can quite easily be spending those same hours getting an article up to FA status. Furthermore, using multiple accounts in this manner is not permitted according to WP:SOCK, which lists five potentially allowable uses of alternate accounts. Playing games is not among them.
 * Rationale

Yes, I am aware of WP:Editors matter. I am fully aware that we are not only all people, but all volunteers, even those of us who do the often thankless tasks of wielding the mop. However, we are here, above all else, to build an encyclopedia. That is what we all volunteered to do when we created an account here. Those who are here to play games have found the wrong website. We should be rewarding each other for outstanding contributions to the project, not for "who can find a link to some random page fastest" contests. It is an inappropriate use of this site, and pulls those users who have shown themselves to be excellent contributors (as DCFan101 clearly is, especially in Disney articles) away from the common purpose we are all here to work toward. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 04:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't understand how it's hard to find a page that's in someone's userspace. You just open up the folder view.... Anyway, I think we should give the user(s) a chance to request deletion themselves once they have been show the general feelings about them on this page.--mboverload @  04:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem User:Zackinkski It appears that this account is only for hosting these pages. What should be done? --mboverload @  05:12, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Problem User:Crazyolmn It appears that this account is only for hosting these pages. What should be done? --mboverload @  05:13, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'd happily make game pages a CSD category. No relevance to building an encyclopedia.Kww (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete pretty blatant abuse. Wikipedia isn't a game. Also, delete User:Zackinkski, User:Crazyolmn and all subpages of those accounts (and block them as abusive sockpuppets). This shouldn't require a vote. Just do it. There's no rationale for keeping this game crap. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The three sock accounts (,, and ) are all now blocked indefinitely, autoblock disabled. DCFan101 has not been blocked, nor do I intend to block him. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 15:43, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good move. The subpages of those accounts should be wiped too --Hammersoft (talk) 15:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm leaving that up to this discussion (you'll notice they're all listed above). If another admin comes by and chooses to nuke all of those, that's their decision, but I'll leave them there for the time being. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 16:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Delete- not to save server space or to purge useless userpages, but instead to reinforce the principle that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is neither primarily a social networking site or a replacement for the World Wide Web. To quote MZMcBride:
 * Delete  MBisanz  talk 19:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and my rationale in the April discussion. –Black Falcon (Talk) 20:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "'The web is a very big place with literally thousands of venues for this kind of thing. A sense of community is great, and should be encouraged. On the other hand, there are entire sites devoted to social networking. Have some fun? Sure, absolutely. Waste time, energy, and resources for crap like this? No way.'"

There's also the fact that the whole point of "secret" pages is nullified by Special:Prefixindex and CTRL+F... Black Falcon (Talk) 05:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination, and lack of usefulness to the project. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete one or two secret pages are fine but this (especially the alternate accounts) is over the top. Let the sock accounts themselves be though, they are not being used in a particularly disruptive manner manner and DCFan101 seems to be a decent user. - Icewedge (talk) 02:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - please see this ANI thread for related discussion. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 14:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - OK. I'm ok with all of it. I would've deleted them but I don't have time. I'm putting db-userreq for all my pages except talk page :) --DCFan101 (talk) 08:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Nonconstructive games being played. Perhaps something suitable for Geocities but not here. - Longhair\talk 08:53, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.