Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Don Jon Ronald/Essay:Helping Autistic Users

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  speedily deleted along with a duplicate. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:49, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

User:Don Jon Ronald/Essay:Helping Autistic Users

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Falling under WP:POLEMIC as a page dedicated to "vilifying groups of ... persons". While it was previously a draft essay that was moved into userspace by someone other than its creator, the level of condescension in it and the fact that the user who created it was banned for vandalism with only 24 edits and for being "clearly not being here to build an encyclopedia" means that it's probably not worth keeping around. QuietCicada (talk) 01:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Not convinced that this is not a net positive idea, or a good start of a good thing. There are a few troubling looking bits that I am tempted to edit immediately.  I know something, have some training, with autism, but am certainly not an expert.  Some expert knowledge here could be very helpfully informative. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:14, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think you need an expert to know that it's insulting to say that you have to praise people for their brilliance, because otherwise they might kill a bunch of people. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:32, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess I was skimming over some disturbing things wondering whether there was anything useful.
 * I have now tagged it g10. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:48, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, it's very obviously a troll, so delete on that. But all the other autism essays should be deleted too, including the good-faith ones -- the elephant in the room is that if Wikipedia needs an allism-autism communication guide it's the exact opposite way (helping allistic people adapt to an environment with autistic norms), but underdiagnosis/underrecognition means no one could coherently write that anyway (because most autistic people and in particular most older autistic people think they aren't), so we end up with the sincere attempts at these same essays being ludicrously patronizing and representing only a tiny minority of people who are visibly far more autistic than Wikipedia norms. (A similar problem is the long-term problematic editors who object to mention of their obvious issues with "but I'm autistic".) Vaticidalprophet 02:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Is this supposed to be a joke?  It's not funny, and it is insulting.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:32, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. If neurodivergence were an ethnicity or a sexuality or a religion, this would have been speedied as an attack page already. Folly Mox (talk) 02:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Ass-backwards. Better covered in High-functioning autism and Asperger's editors. Curbon7 (talk) 02:46, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.