Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Faster than Thunder/Sandbox/Wikihavior

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Happy to restore these for the purpose of moving them over to Meta, if requested.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 23:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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WP:NOTWEBHOST -- this is explicitly not Wikipedia, as User:Faster than Thunder/Sandbox/Wikihavior/Template:NotWikipedia explains. None of these pages are useful to the project. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 22:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There have been arguments presented that a transwiki to Meta are not permissible, but it does not look like any of those who indicated support for a transwiki have taken notice. It would be helpful to see back-and-forth discussion on this in order to more clearly ascertain consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mhawk10 (talk) 08:08, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, and the user's history of hatnote changes suggest they may need additional scrutiny. User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 23:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd be curious to hear from -- what are these? If these are in fact templates for use on some other wiki, then I'd probably agree with the nominator. &mdash;  Rhododendrites  talk \\ 12:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * These are for Wikihavior, a Wikimedia wiki about Wikipedia subject behaviors that is currently in discussion. If it is rejected, these pages can be deleted. Faster than Thunder (talk) 16:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete user is jumping the gun making stuff for a project that doesn’t yet exist. These… things are just confusing to everyone except the creator. Dronebogus (talk) 11:49, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment User has a history of bad page creations, although they're obviously well-meaning and not trying to disrupt the encyclopedia. What should we do about him? ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᵀᵃˡᵏ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵉ  18:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Meta, as they are relevant to a proposal there. I don't see a snowball's chance in Hell of that proposal being accepted, but Meta does not follow that enwiki norm, so we should defer to their local norms and let them have these pages. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 19:00, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Meta for the reasons Tamzin laid out. ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᵀᵃˡᵏ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵉ  19:07, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. Move them to Meta. Faster than Thunder (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to per those above. If the proposal fails there, meta may handle these under their local deletion policy if applicable. —  Godsy (TALK CONT ) 08:58, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete IMO these are outside of Meta's project scope as well, as isn't typical to provides examples of pages for un-created projects on Meta-Wiki itself. From my experience, what is going to happen to the page on meta is absolutely nothing, since Proposals for new projects is entirely inactive aside from me occasionally closing stale and unanimously-opposed proposals, and even proposals with a clear consensus in favor of implementing, like WikiJournal go nowhere. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:37, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that Meta appears to be deleting has deleted a similar set of pages at m:Meta:Requests for deletion * Pppery * it has begun...  18:35, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If these are transwikied to meta, I will immiedately nominate them for deletion there. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * We'll find out if and when Wikihavior is rejected. Faster than Thunder (talk) 02:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Out of scope here and out of scope at meta. There is no need to make example pages when proposing a new project, and even if you were going to make an example page it should probably contains some content that explains what the project actually is, rather than just vandalism templates. Unambiguous WP:NOTWEBHOST violation - Wikipedia is not for hosting other wiki projects. (I also can't be the only one who's slightly confused as to what Wikihavior is supposed to be? It sounds like it's designed to be a wiki for documenting the behaviour of editors, which seems like a recipe for harassment.) 192.76.8.91 (talk) 16:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Still of the opinion that these should be sent and have their fate tied to Meta. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 09:33, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My opinion is still unchanged. As unlikely as the project is to be accepted, transwikiing gets it off our hands and it seems permissible there too. Also I'm curious as to what part of Meta's deletion policy you plan to nominate it under.  ☢️Plutonical☢️  ᵀᵃˡᵏ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵉ  19:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Any user can propose a page to be deleted at m:Meta:Requests for deletion for any stated reason. (from m:Meta:Deletion plicy) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:57, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep All. Within reasonable leeway for a contributor. Come back to MfD only with actual evidence of them causing a problem.  People policing the userspace of other people is itself a bigger problem than these sandbox subpages.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If the pages are intended for Wikihavior, that's OK, it is not NOTWEBHOST. It is part of WikiMedia.  Don't do turf warring between difference WikiMedia projects.  En.Wikipedia is the dominant one, so it is to be expected that it gets used like the central one. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep All as per SmokeyJoe, and because rag picking is clogging up MFD and needs to be discouraged. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If MfD isn’t meant for ragpicking then what else is it even good for? Besides, sometimes rags do need to be picked because they violate policy. Dronebogus (talk) 09:00, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, voting “keep” because you want to “discourage” similar discussions by derailing this one with a contrarian vote is decidedly WP:POINTy. Would’ve been better just to leave it at “per x”. Dronebogus (talk) 22:28, 8 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Transwiki to Meta. I don't think it's harmful, but these pages clearly aren't for the English Wikipedia, and so don't belong here. As a demonstration or test of templates for a proposed Wikimedia project, these templates should be transwikied to Meta. Meta's inclusion policy states that "Documentation and discussion concerning the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects" "is appropriate on Meta", and while it doesn't explicitly include proposed projects, it's probably the best place for them. My reasoning is that it's clearly not right for English Wikipedia, and significantly better suited for Meta. If Meta doesn't want them either, then they can be deleted there. Tol  (talk &#124; contribs) @ 20:16, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.