Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Flora85 (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was move to mainspace and list at AfD. JohnCD (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

User:Flora85


This is a WP:STALEDRAFT, edited only by two single purpose accounts that seem to have both left Wikipedia long ago. It was created by Flora85 on 1 February 2010, who just edited it on that day and the following day, and has made no other edits on Wikipedia at all. The page lay untouched for nearly a year and eight months, until Bill Price - William appeared, and edited it over a period of 10 days in late September and early October 2011. It was nominated for deletion at MfD by Drmies, and was heading for deletion until Bill Price - William stated that he had further sources to add to the page. Following that, the page was kept to allow him a chance to edit it. However, he never edited the page again, nor made any further edits to Wikipedia at all. Maybe the page could be sourced and made into a suitable article, but nobody has done that in the three years for which it has existed, and the user who said he could and would do so has made no attempt to do so in 16 months. By now this is clearly a staledraft. (Incidentally, an article on the subject was deleted in July 2011 for lack of sources.) JamesBWatson (talk) 14:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 *  Speedy Hastily Delete. per WP:STALEDRAFT and WP:NOTWEBHOST --Hu12 (talk) 14:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, apart from the fact that the page doesn't qualify under any of the speedy deletion criteria, I don't see that, for a page in user space that has been around for three years, it will hurt to wait for another week. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The point being this has been a big waste of process and editors time for several years. Let it speedily die, or dump in the user space of the first keep !vote. Perhaps it will be adopted by another editor, but up to this point the only interest has been a shared spa account(Flora85) as a "joint venture". The Bill Price - William spa account is one of the two origionaly sharing the origional account. I'd venture to say one of the two were probably connected to Phil Legg or Phil himself based on this and this being his "Own work". Nothing more than a WP:PRODRAFT --Hu12 (talk) 18:41, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Can we please link MfD1 and the AfD. An AfD on this subject would be highly significant. Definitely not speediable. As with MfD1, this page doesn't look obviously unsuitable for mainspace. I'm having trouble investigating the notability of FutureProof Records. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:41, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The first MfD is Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Flora85. I am not aware of any AfD: the deletion was a PRODBLP. I agree that the page does not look, on the face of it, unsuitable as an article, but nobody yet has managed to come up with sources to demonstrate notability, either when the original article was in existence, when the userspace draft was at its first MfD, or at any other time. Obviously, if you or anyone else can find suitable sources now, then that will be fine. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete unless notability can be established for an article. -- Klein zach  14:14, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Move to mainspace. Allow listing at AfD to test notability, but I think this draft is good enough.  The reasons for the BLPROD are well-overcome.  The downside to this bio is possible promotion and likely COI of its authorship.  However, the subject has a web site that leaves extra promotion here insignificant, and the page is not to my reading promotional in presentation.  The subject is worthy of mention on at least some mainspace pages, such as Essential Logic and Introducing the Hardline According to Terence Trent D'Arby.  He is already named at Crackers_International.  There are sources, such as http://www.musictank.co.uk/resources/speaker-biographies/phil-legg-founder-futureproof-records, which are evidence of real-world notability.  The independence of this source may be debated, but if so that debate belongs at AfD.  Overall, the page is very well sourced.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:23, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, OK, that would be a reasonable outcome. -- Klein zach  16:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Make into an article A well deserved article like this deserves a proper airing as an article. The user forgot to take it live, so what? Deleting because of such a miniscule oversight after a lot of good work is ridiculous. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.