Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Geo Swan/The list of entities belonging to or associated with the Al-Qaida organization

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete. -- Cirt (talk) 13:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

User:Geo Swan/The list of entities belonging to or associated with the Al-Qaida organization
WP:BLP violation. A list of red-and incorrect bluelinks based on a document linking names to serious negative allegations. The result of this page is that when you check "what links here" on e.g. Mohammad Sharif, who was in reality head of the Youth Unit of the United Nations, you get that he is part of "The list of entities belonging to or associated with the Al-Qaida organization". Similarly, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, renowned Pakistani poet died in 1984, is listed as belonging to the same list, just like cricketers Nazar Mohammad and Mohammad Zahid, or Tawana Brawley rape allegations(!), or Mohammed Daoud Khan, former president of Afghanistan. Fram (talk) 11:15, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete because of the serious BLP issues that the nom has pointed out. IQinn (talk) 01:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - there are no BLP issues here. This is valuable working documentation, which Geo has built up with painstaking meticulousness.  Much of the PD material is being moved to Wikisource, and that is fine, let Geo proceed with that at his own pace. Rich Farmbrough, 07:08, 9 December 2010 (UTC).


 * Note. Rich Farmbrough posted the exact same opinion to 12 MfDs in two minutes time, regardless of the actual page up for discussion or the reason for the nomination. He has been trouted for this on WP:ANI and his opinion here should be disregarded for that reason as well. Fram (talk) 15:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This nomination does not comply with WP:User pages. The nominator asserts that the some of the links in this page of rough notes point to the wrong person, and cites the less than five percent of the links that pointed to the wrong person.  This is a genuine concern, but, since this is a concern that could be easily addressed, it is not an appropriate deletion criteria -- not even for article space.  I suggest it is doubly innappropriate for a userspace page.  Geo Swan (talk) 01:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment -- The few links that pointed to the wrong person have all been corrected. The links that pointed to disambiguation pages have been addressed as well.  Geo Swan (talk) 01:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment There are still serious BLP concerns. The whole list is a cherry picked, copy and paste of this primary source document. Why do you want to keep a copy of this in your user space? To associate somebody with Al-Qaida is a very serious allegation and it can only be included into Wikipedia when there are multiple secondary sources that verify this allegations. The one source that this is based on is already outdated and the UN has removed various individual from their lists. I am going to remove all individuals from your list where the allegation that they are associated with Al-Qaida is not verified through multiple secondary sources. You are welcome to re-add individuals accompanied with the appropriate references that fulfill our strong requirements for verification of allegations against living people. Thank you. IQinn (talk) 02:14, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP. An unsourced list of people "belonging to or associated with the Taliban" is, as states above, a violation of the BLP policy and so should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 10:27, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Correction, the page is not unsourced. I would welcome an explanation of your reasoning as to how it lapses from WP:BLP.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:41, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Based on the nominator's comment, the page sounds like a mean accusation towards the people in the list. NotARealWord (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Was the United Nations motivated by "mean-spiritedness" when they compiled and updated these lists of individuals? Was the United Nations Security Council motivated by mean-spiritedness when it imposed economic sanctions, and had member nations freeze the assets of these individuals?  I don't know.  Nevertheless most people recognize these list as the work of sober professionals.  Therefore, I suggest that even if we had strong reasons to regard these list as a mean-spirited list, we would be obliged to treat the lists as the work of sober professionals, as per WP:NOR and WP:VER.  Note: This google search shows how many countries republished a version of these lists.  Geo Swan (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)


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