Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Golden Star Boys

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:27, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Golden Star Boys


WP:FAKEARTICLE. Created as Comandos Cricket Team. No response from creator at talk pages. — Cactus Writer (talk) 17:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Editor actually has edited on Wikipedia  albeit not specifically great edits, and this is not any clear abuse of userspace. This is not mainspace. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi, Collect. Sorry if I'm being obtuse (unfortunately, not unusual for me :) ), but all of your points seemed to have flown over my head. Can you explain what I may be missing?


 * 1. Editor has edited on Wikipedia -- true, 27 of their 209 edits (when counting IP edits) were made elsewhere in mainspace. Is edit count ever relevant here?
 * 2. This is not mainspace. -- which is the reason for this MFD rather than an AFD.
 * 3. Not any clear abuse of userspace -- actually, hosting a webpage since May about a schoolboy cricket team solely to archive its games (see contribution history) is a clearly inappropriate use of the userpage per WP:UPNOT and WP:FAKEARTICLE.


 * Now if your point is that this isn't a clear abuse yet -- meaning it is still a potentially valid article and just needs time to develop, and that we should tag it userspace draft and give it a few months, than that is a position I can understand. (I will say though that I don't advise new editors to spend their time on articles which will clearly fail AFD, if not CSD -- which is typical for pages about high school clubs.) I am interested in learning your point-of-view here, so thanks in advance. — Cactus Writer (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. There is no requirement that userspace be only for future mainspace articles. In fact, only a very small part of userspace is used for creating mainspace articles.   Thus no reason to mark it as a "draft."  2.  Traditionally we allow some room for those who have actually edited outside of userspace - which this user has done.  Where a user has no edits outside of userspace, then deletion is far more utile.  Absent an actual reason to delete, the default is to Keep.  Cheers.  And yes this means that a great deal of "junk" will accumulate in userspace, but I find it more important to the project to remove some of the puffery and other junk found in mainspace articles. Collect (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for your expanded comments. No where did I suggest there was a requirement "that userspace be only for future mainspace articles." The marking of the page as a "draft" is because the user's exact recreation of this page in the mainspace verifies their belief that they consider it suitable as an article -- and therefore the whole issue of FAKEARTICLE. I now understand your mention of the outside edits was in regard to the broader leeway we give to regular participants (although your definition of "regular" appears to be more liberal than mine). I agree with you that getting rid of the "junk" in the mainspace takes precedent over getting rid of the "junk" in the userspace: I ran across this only because of a request to delete the editor's mainspace creations of ABM method and their duplicate of their User:Golden Star Boys userpage at Comandos Cricket Team -- and decided that as long as I was there, I should take care of this as well. In RL, I'll spend hours keeping my frontyard tidy, but if I'm in the alleyway and there is trash on the ground, as long as I'm there, I'll take a minute to pick that up, too -- regardless of whether the neighbors let theirs accumulate. I believe setting priority does not completely eliminate all other objectives. —  Cactus Writer (talk) 22:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:FAKEARTICLE states (my bolding): "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content. Private copies of pages that are being used solely for long-term archival purposes may be subject to deletion." Because this page violates WP:FAKEARTICLE, it should be deleted. Cunard (talk) 23:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The draft's subject is "Golden Star Boys Cricket Team". Delete also per WP:NOTADVERTISING. I note that the creator's username violates Username policy. I endorse all of CactusWriter's comments and disagree with most of Collect's. Cunard (talk) 23:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. "Golden Star Boys Cricket Team is founded by Nihal and Abin on 12-5-2011"... Wikipedia is not a social networking site. MER-C 03:18, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not a draft article, and not related to the project.  Refer the user to Alternative outlets.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:25, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.