Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Gr8opinionater/Userboxes/Falangist

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 03:38, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Gr8opinionater/Userboxes/Falangist

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Userbox promoting fascist ideologies, which violates WP:UBCR, WP:POLEMIC, and WP:NONAZIS. See other previous discussions about such userboxes. —  csc -1 19:08, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:09, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete These discussions have shown that this userbox is inflammatory enough to be deleted according to policy.  Zoozaz1   talk   17:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The label "fascist" is not a reason for deletion. It is a reprehensible philosophy, but in this case there is a clear distinction between the policies of Falangist Spain, which was immoral but not evil (as in not committing genocide), and more destructive fascist ideology, such as Nazism, which was both immoral and evil. Just because something is fascist doesn't mean it should be deleted.  Zoozaz1   talk   03:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Falangist Spain, which was immoral but not evil (as in not committing genocide) Patently untrue. Please read White Terror (Spain). The Falangist regime absolutely engaged in terror and genocide. The fact that it wasn't as well-publicized as The Holocaust does not diminish its significance.--WaltCip- (talk)  14:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a lot of terror, definitely, but that doesn't mean it was a genocide, which has a very specific definition according to the UN.  Zoozaz1   talk   14:34, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't move the goalposts. Terror is terror. Indeed, the United Nations as you referenced is investigating further the crimes against humanity (disclaimer: link copied from article is broken) committed by the Francoist regime. The Francoists and Falangists are one and the same. It's bad enough that you are voting to keep this userbox, but don't use ignorance of their misdeeds as a defense. --WaltCip- (talk)  15:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not moving any goalposts. Any ideology that has been implemented at scale has had moments of terror. Should we delete userboxes supporting America, or Republicans or Democrats, because of the treatment (arguably genocide, certainly crimes against humanity) of the Native Americans? Britain because of its Empire? Democracy because of the massive slavery and repression it was founded during by some of its most notable adherents? We can go on and on. There are lines to be drawn, but I do not think they should be drawn here.  Zoozaz1   talk   16:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I don't want to humor this conversation any further, as the false equivalency and whataboutism in attempting to equate the terror of the Franco regime - something that is still fresh in the minds of Spaniards - to prior misdeeds of other countries is an ideological exercise that will lead nowhere good. --WaltCip- (talk)  17:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom and per the keep comment of Zoozaz1 above. Yes, if a userbox is fascist (in this case by definition), absolutely, that does mean that it should be deleted. WP:NONAZIS, please. Nsk92 (talk) 12:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I do not see how it violates WP:UBCR as it is trying to recruit anyone to join. I also believe that a political ideology by itself is not substantially divisive. As for WP:POLEMIC I do not believe that this would be considered an attack on anyone or a group of people. As all the userbox states is what that particular user identifies as. As for WP:NONAZIS it is an essay, and as such has not been vetted by the community, that being the case, I feel that the case for WP:NONAZIS is moot. AfricanChristmas (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Lets keep in mind that WP:NONAZIS is not a policy or guideline. If you think this guideline should be then I would look to discussions (if any) on why this was never put into place. Other than that this template recruits or targets nobody as the movement is used in past tense. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 00:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The userbox is incredibly inflammatory. Perhaps in Spain some apologists of the Franco regime still argue about the fine differences between fascism and Nazism but the most of the rest of the world does not care to make that distinction. Nsk92 (talk) 15:37, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Can't believe we even need to discuss this. WP:NONAZIS please and thank you. WaltCip- (talk)  12:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination (especially WP:NONAZIS) and above comment by Zoozaz1 βӪᑸᙥӴ • Talk • Contribs 16:31, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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