Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Gr8opinionater/Userboxes/National Syndicalist

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 03:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

User:Gr8opinionater/Userboxes/National Syndicalist

 * – (View MfD) Userbox promoting fascist ideologies, which violates WP:UBCR, WP:POLEMIC, and WP:NONAZIS. See other previous discussions about such userboxes. —  csc -1 19:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:NONAZIS is not a policy or guideline. Adam9007 (talk) 19:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of that, however I would still regard it as relevant in these sorts of discussions. —  csc -1 19:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Most Userboxes, even “harmful” ones are not usually deleted. – Cupper 52 Discuss! 19:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Can someone explain why National syndicalism is offensive? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Due to it's (seemingly exclusively) use as a component of fascist ideology. See the article on National syndicalism for it's relation to Italian fascism and Spanish fascism. Additionally, this user box makes use of a fasces and is located here in the userbox index alongside other fascist and anti-fascist userboxes. —  csc -1 22:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Is any of that illegal, in any country? Sorry, but I find it to be too subtle/involved/complicated for an MfD deletion reason.  It sounds more like an opinion for discussion in an RfC on the rules for political userboxes.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Potentially under countries that have laws against nazism and/or similar ideologies. I'd say that a userbox for a pretty blatantly fascist ideology (especially when the userbox makes use of the fasces) would be acceptable for MfD, as per the last 2 links in the request. —  csc -1 23:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that this and other userboxes are dubious, but it is not within the precedent of the previous discussions. I disagree that it is "pretty blatantly fascist ideology".  I disagree that use of the fasces establishes "pretty blatantly fascist ideology".  I think what you are doing belongs in an RfC.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Four users transclude this userbox. One is blocked.  One has one edit, another has five edits; not genuine users. The other, User:Gr8opinionater himself, has it only as a collection of userboxes that he explicitly states do not represent his beliefs.   --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTHERE. Non-genuine userbox that has already wasted more time than it is worth.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:16, 10 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Fascism does not equal Nazism; this is a fascist ideology developed outside of Germany before Nazism existed. Sure, it's a bad ideology, but being an ideology one disagrees with is not a reason for deletion. As for WP:POLEMIC, it is related to Wikipedia in the sense all userboxes do; it gives editors an idea of topics an editor is interested it. The broader point is that supporting fascism (a fairly varied/large ideology) does not in my view merit deletion (excluding types of fascism that advocate for genocide, which this type does not).  Zoozaz1   talk   22:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.