Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Hoping To Help/Roman Polanski

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete. TFOWR 14:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Hoping To Help/Roman Polanski
WP:BLP-violating POV fork of the original article. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 17:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Agree it's a BLP violation and a POV fork. Any changes this editor wants to make he can go to the article and make the change being bold or take it to the talk page to work with the other editors of the article.  There is no reason for this article to be in his sandbox. thanks  -- Crohnie Gal  Talk  18:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Per both comments above. He could just go ahead and edit the article, instead of having this...  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 20:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: My intention is to follow all WP:BLP policy and write in a WP:NPOV manner -- so it would be helpful if you could point out which particular sentences violate BLP and which sentences you feel are written in a POV manner. What particular POV do you feel I'm pushing? Also, near the end of [|this discussion] CrohnieGal states: It doesn't make sense to be doing a rewrite since there are active editors there who will probably not be too happy to have all their work redone in this fashion. I want to assume good faith, but this comment, along with the fact that no specific violation of BLP or NPOV has been pointed out, make me wonder if the complaining editors are unconsciously in violation of WP:OWN. Hoping To Help (talk) 01:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Response Please do assume good faith since if you look at the history of the article you will see I have not edited that page at all to my knowledge. So there is no ownership issues in regards to my comment. My comment had to do with you saying you copied the article to your sandbox to make the changes you feel are needed instead of just going to the article itself and using the talk page or being bold and editing the article itself.  HTH, -- Crohnie Gal  Talk  15:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Stopping a rewrite of an article from happening because of concerns that "there are active editors there who will probably not be too happy to have all their work redone in this fashion" -- is a violation of the intent behind WP:OWN. I never said that you were an editor of this article -- but that the reason you gave went against the intent of WP policy. Hoping To Help (talk) 09:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I also just realized you took that little piece you keep quoting all over out of context. Please stop and reread own like I've suggested.  This is a personal attack so please stop.  Thanks, -- Crohnie Gal  Talk  11:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I did not create this page as a fork to the article. I created it as a step along the way on proposing changes for the mainspace article. ...  I think improving it might involve rearranging/changing a number of sentences that I would have a hard time doing on a live article without messing things up. I've copied part of the article to a non-mainspace area so I can try out different ideas before I propose something. I may want to propose a new layout/structure -- but it is hard for me to even know what I might want to propose without being able to tryout different versions and see how they read. Hoping To Help (talk) 01:33, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Considering the policy violations that have already taken place on the user sub page and the newness of the user and the connection to that creating an apparent weak grasp of policy, this article improvement would clearly be better on the talkpage of the article. Off2riorob (talk) 11:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Very controversial issue, and extremely unlikely that this could help the encyclopedia. Far too great a chance of a BLP and POV fork occurring. Johnuniq (talk) 07:47, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.