Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/Discussion about creation of possible Wikiproject:New Users and BLPs

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  Keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 22:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

User:Ikip/Discussion about creation of possible Wikiproject:New Users and BLPs


Discussion closed and abandoned. User has been indef'd since 2012. Niteshift36 (talk) 03:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. A project discussion.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:47, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Can I ask what purpose an abandoned discussion on the page of an indef'd user would serve? Niteshift36 (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a record, a record of an active discussion, and a talk page. We don't delete these things.  Archive, yes.  Even if the idea is bad, and there were bad things about that page, they are kept to be learned from.  At the time of the discussion, the user was a productive Wikipedian in good standing, and his later block was not related to this page.  We don't disappear the history of Wikipedians due to later infractions.  Possibly, this page should be moved to ProjectSpace and archived.  In the early days, many project discussions used to happen in userspace, but it has been discouraged for a very long time.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There was an active discussion. I was involved in it. There hasn't been an active discussion in 6 years. And yes, we do delete these things. Entire articles and their lengthy discussion are deleted every day after an AfD discussion. We're acting like this is some how sacred because it is on a user page. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Article talk pages get deleted with their articles, yes, but project related discussions do not get deleted.--SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and if this were an actual project related discussion, that might matter. This was something Ikip was working on to put into live space to be an project related discussion. It never went there. Your statement was that we don't delete the record of an active discussion. We do on article talk pages and this wasn't an active discussion. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. A "project discussion" by a banned user that hasn't been "discussed" in any way in over six years. --Calton | Talk 14:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep pretty much per Smokey Joe. We don't delete user talk pages absent particularly good cause/really objectionable content, and that principle should apply to subpages used for the same purpose. If this were a User talk subpage rather than a User supage we wouldn't be having this discussion. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006.  (talk) 19:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Can I ask what purpose this serves? The editor is indef'd and has been for years. There is little chance of him picking it back up. Niteshift36 (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And what useful purpose would deleting it serve? Why should we depart from practice concerning this page merely because the editor created it (perhaps inadvertently) in userspace rather than user talk space? The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006.  (talk) 21:16, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I know we like to pretend that "it's not paper" is really important, but at some point, all the dreck on the servers adds up. I was involved in the original, there was no accident here. Problem is, it was a discussion that went nowhere. The idea lost momentum and the editor got blocked. There's no policy or guideline that says it's it's a normal practice for people to indefinitely store abandoned projects. There are private servers for that. This isn't DropBox. Why are we calling it a discussion when nobody has discussed it in 6 years? Niteshift36 (talk) 22:19, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - This record of an old discussion serves as a useful reference. We don't generally delete things of this nature as SmokeyJoe stated. I'd also like to echo the sentiment of Hullaballoo Wolfowitz that this may have been misplaced and that it wouldn't be deleted if it were within a talk page archive. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 19:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It wasn't misplaced. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.