Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ironwater/Holder of the end

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete. This seems to be being used as a working page for drafts for the "communal crowdsourced creative writing work" at http://theholders.org/. Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a web host for this kind of thing. I will supply a copy on request of any of the stories here, by moving it into a sandbox for 24 hours so that it can be copied out. JohnCD (talk) 10:41, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Ironwater/Holder of the end
DELETE - this is nonsense. Long, rambling nonsense. Wikipedia is not a personal hosting service/blog farm. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL and delete, possibly bjadon excerpts. :D 06:42, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

The holder series was a communal crowdsourced creative writing work before Wikipedia even existed. This is exactly the sort of thing wikis are created to preserve, document, and organize. If anything, the page should be categorized and not deleted. Individual poems in the public domain have their own wikipedia entries, I don't see why a perfectly organized collection of the holder series shouldn't. -Scott 06:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Scott, every wiki has a different purpose. If you want to document a PD work, Wikinfo is the place you're looking for.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Brought to the attention of . Besides the obvious WP:NOT rhis reads like a full fledged prophecy series. Hasteur (talk) 11:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Addendum: User appears to not have done anything in 1.5 years and has for the most part been playing with the sandbox and creating items of questionable encyclopedic content.Hasteur (talk) 12:56, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Don't Delete. This is art & interesting to read. Many people on stumbleupon.com & found this page and love it. It's terrifying and nonsensical and creative.
 * Delete Notwithstanding the lack of notability, this page is entirely unnecessary, the series is catalogued on a number of sites already, example RubberTyres (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Even if sources were found to justify an article about the series, we wouldn't want a verbatim copy of it. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:34, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Wow... WP:NOT is sufficient, I should think.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come shout at me!) 18:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The page is expanding by the hour!!! Since this notice was put on the page, it has grew 4694 bytes in 12 hours. Train2104 (talk) 18:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * But it's not all serious. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True, but it was featured on the reddit front page this morning so the page is going to be the target of many drive by vandals.
 * How exactly is this conducive to building an encyclopedia? MER-C 09:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. User appears to not here to build the encyclopedia. MER-C 09:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as a copy vio "holders.org" does not state that the work is free of copyright - so it is de jure copyright material. User does not appear to have a personal claim to authorship. Collect (talk) 09:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, unencyclopedic. (I read above that this stuff is "terrifying and nonsensical and creative"; the second of these three seems accurate enough.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Although I agree that this piece doesn't add to the encyclopedia, and am generally inclined to advocate deleting unnecessary pages and information, this particular page doesn't seem to be harming anyone and is certainly entertaining. Wikipedia may be srs bzns but perhaps we should all loosen up a bit this time. 15:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The purpose of Wikipedia is not to "not harm anyone", but to build an encyclopedia. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Note the only contributions by User:Gustcarl are the vote above and a suspiciously similarly written addition to the subpage on Ironwater under consideration. At least an SPA and almost certainly the same user under another account (not technically socking, I guess, since User:Ironwater appears to be abandoned). Matt Deres (talk) 03:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete This should be categorized as a cumulative creative writing experiment.  This is interesting, creative, and should be preserved as such.
 * Previous unsigned though was by User:Gustcarl Hasteur (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not what an Encyclopedia is for. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Gustcar hasn't actually addressed anything. I'd call that a straw man. Possible even a red herring.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 12:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I think that you should leave this page because I want to read it.


 * More straw men, more red herrings.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 03:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.