Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Isento/Inspirational verses

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  kept as potential copyright issues have been resolved. Ixfd64 (talk) 17:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

User:Isento/Inspirational verses

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I warned Isento that an earlier version of this page with full song lyrics was a copyright violation and needed to be deleted. That was a week ago. Although the amount of lyrics has been reduced, it still seems excessive. I'm not sure that a collection of lyrics on a user page would be considered fair use. In any case, the versions of the page with full lyrics need to be deleted. Mo Billings (talk) 05:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There never were any versions with a song's full lyrics. And contrary to your claim at my talk page, I did address this by asking a week ago to delete the revisions you deemed excessive (User_talk:Jo-Jo_Eumerus). Which they did. isento (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I didn't notice that the history had been revision deleted. I think it's still worth hearing other opinions on fair use. Mo Billings (talk) 05:53, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Sure, sure. isento (talk) 05:55, 4 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - I do not claim to be an expert on the law of fair use, but as a matter of common sense, the page appears to be fair use of multiple works. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree that it is fair use. A collage of different works is not fair use. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, a collage of different works (especially using small parts of those works for noncommercial purposes) is very often fair use. Still he question is whether it's a problem for our non-free content rules. Of that, I'm not so sure. We don't typically allow non-free content in userspace, but I suspect there are an awful lot of user pages with song lyrics... BTW Isento might be interested in our sister project, Wikiquote, which does indeed include small bits of song lyrics and other copyrighted works under fair use. :) &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 22:27, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Those had a strong personal resonance with me, reflecting parts of my bio in particular. Now that I've done my own research, I see that WP:COPYQUOTE says: Elsewhere, it says . By the powers of deductive reasoning, I assume that quoting a short verse or two from each of those songs does not qualify as a problem. In none of those songs quoted is more than a quarter of the whole quoted; in most cases much less; in some cases they are public domain. isento (talk) 23:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The weakness, the failing, in the fair use claim is that there is insufficient use relative to the amount of fair-use-claimed quoting. To improve the claim, add to the page some commentary connecting the quotes to some theme/meaning.  How do they resonate?  By doing this, demonstrate that the collage is not just a random collection.  You have to add your own creative addition, and it has to be clear enough that a visitor can recognize which parts are used, and what your new contribution is.  You must add your own original research / synthesis to make a "use" that can be judged "fair use".  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It is your opinion that there is no connection between the inspirational verses and the bio page, or that it is "random". My approach was to be somewhat impressionistic – there are themes progressing and pinging from one text to the next – and not to overwhelm a potential reader with personal details. Anyway, the guideline says "particularly", not "necessarily". I respect your argument, but I don't agree with it applying to this case. isento (talk) 00:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No no no. Obviously there is, but you haven't written it. Crude tests may be applied, namely the fraction of the work being quoted, the quote lengths, and the ratio of the amount quoted and what you have written about the quotes.  I don't what that ratio needs to be, or that it is well defined, but I think you need to at least mention each quote.  Obviously you page collection is not random, but to think in terms of how it would be summarised and scored crudely in terms of justification of fair use.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:47, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The concept of "inspirational verses" itself is from Christgau who's referenced in the bio. This isn't that big a deal though. It was just a nice little artsy thing I started a while ago. Kinda resigning myself to the idea that no one cares about my story or ideas anyway. But it still is a nice thing for myself to see, like the way normal people look at their Instagram lol. isento (talk) 01:33, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel sure that you could easily add a paragraph introduction to say that these verses inspire you, and a little bit why and how. If it is too personal to explain, say "for personal reasons".  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:50, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * How's this? A little free-form poetic, with influences of syntax from cummings and Christgau. isento (talk) 03:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Better! Keep.  Meets fair use because the collection of snippets has no meaning beyond being the stated inspiration of User:Isento.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep the level of quotation appears to be appropriate to not constitute copyright infringement. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 19:31, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Are we just about done here? isento (talk) 21:52, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This seems fine to me if the version with full song lyrics has been revdelled. jp×g 23:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The quotes are all well with in the realm of fair use, and all the images are free images (mostly) from Commons, so no reason to delete. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.