Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Itzcoatzin/sandbox

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

User:Itzcoatzin/sandbox


Based on text on the page itself inviting guests to sign the guestbook, and this comment inviting readers who don't like a page's content to read this page instead, I do not believe this user page is serving as a useful article development, but rather as the author's own version that he has been unable to publish otherwise. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 00:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Simply put your vercion is lazy, lacks true information. You don not link internaly to any of the infromation in wikipedia. I honestly dont care about your opinion.

My work is clean it has sources, more then 200 books. Anyone interested in Spanish history will get more information from my page then yours.

The zambrano name is a Heraldic Surname. Issued by the chatholic kings of spain. That became a Family surname, branched out all over the world.

I have provided information on every House mark in the world. I have posted webpages that support all my statements.

I ask wikipedia to remove wikidan from this discucion because he wants to take credit for all my information. He has not quoted as many books as i have. All he want to present to people for the ]]Zambrano surname is an empty page that states zambrano is a surname.

The one page you should delete is his. He is lazy, does not provide any infromation. He is a racist, dark age idiot. That want to delete infromation from books that he does not understand.

The Zambrana surname that form all the zambrana and zambrano states of the world. Origintaed from the monarch of Sobreabo. Pamplona. Navarra. Castile leon. I have presented a family tree with more then one book showing their regal origin and development.

Why else would he want to delete my sandbox, my private work. Because my work is better then his.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment For the moment, I will put aside the incivility of Itzcoatzin's response, and limit my response to the article content, and related commentary at other Wikipedia pages.
 * Itzcoatzin has submitted this article at AFC several times. The submission has been reviewed by myself and several other editors and found to be unsuitable for the encyclopedia for several reasons.  (Readers are welcome to check the relevant AFC for details.)  Basically, the Itzcoatzin's version of this article is a random collection of factoids, with no organization, that relies on sources whose reliability has been questioned (essentially, ancient texts written by untrained and non-neutral historians).  Having had the submission rejected several times, and having had his arguments for inclusion of his information refuted on Talk:Zambrano (surname) several times, Itzcoatzin has taken to inviting users who don't like the present article to visit his sandbox, and is treating his sandbox as a social media page, inviting guests to sign the talk page.  This is not what Wikipedia is for.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Dear wikipedia patrons:

It has come to my attention that wikidan does not like me. He thinks that me defending my work by showing you his lack of interest of this subject by editing mywork.

Even now he doe not allow my comments. In the deletion of my own work. Something i have done reasearch one.

If you wish to enforce the no persona;l attack clause i would like wiki dan removem from my sand box. And have another patron of the wikipedia project read and tell me what is not correct.

Deleting my work for no reason other then he has the power too is an attack and very agressive to me. For he does not explain why? And i have books and works that are archived in Spanish Libraries label national treasures.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 20:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment This is not a personal attack against . This is one editor (me) bringing to the community an issue in which another user (Itzcoatzin) appears to be misusing the Wikipedia platform.  I bring the issue to the community to let them decide.  I have not disallowed Itzcoatzin's comments, I have only refuted them.  I have made no attacks against Itzcoatzin in his sandbox; I have only reverted his removal of the mfd tag that I placed there in starting this discussion.  And if Itzcoatzin does not think I have explained why I think his sandbox should be deleted, he hasn't read this page carefully enough.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

The information that i presented a year ago is nothing to what i have now.

I have quoted the book that states all i have presented and added the books that support that book.

Library of congress: Endika de Mogrobejo continued the work and in Endika's volume 13 I found the article on the Zambranos. The citation is: .

isbn 8489965056

I have expanded the information from this book. Made wiki links to the supporting infromation.

I have included information for geneaologist and House marks related to this surname.

My work does not deserve to be deleted. I am still working on the organizing of it and i have been incontact with experts on the subject that agree with my work.

I will have them talk to you about this soon.

I am waiting for a national geographic dna result, about the berber people haplo group em18.


 * Please allow this page to stay.

Itzcoatzin: perhaps you can put some order to you page and post it as any other.

Wikiguys: Why don't you provide an space for this kind of on-going investigation.
 * --Hugo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugozam (talk • contribs)


 * Comment because Wikipedia is not a web hosting service.. If Itzcoatzin wishes to reach out to fellow Zambranos around the world, there are any number of appropriate services for that. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 04:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Every time someons looks for something in wikipedia is consider social.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 22:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Total Gobbledygook. No serious historian would even look at this page. Everybody wants to descend from the kings of Pamplona and have invented descendants of little documented children of kings, such as Lope Fortúnez who is claimed to be the ancestor of not just Zambrana, but many other families, including the Zúñigas. Yet no documentation exists whatsoever to sustain these claims. --Maragm (talk) 06:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC) pd: user is inviting others in a genealogy website (a poor one at that) to defend this article which has been proposed for deletion by an "imbecile"

http://pares.mcu.es/ Use this page to see how the Surnames change from the same origin. Sample: Lope Fortunez; an old tradition of using the granfathers name and the father name as last name in from of ez. plus the nickname was use before the coat of arms. such as german peter son, pedro ez.

Sancho Lopez: Sancho from forefathers Lopez from lope.

Fortun Sanchez: Fortun from his grand father Sanchez from his father nickname "from mendoza". He was the generation that startesd using the Heraldic Surname Zambrana.

HOuse Lopez, Haro, Laudio, Diaz are the childrens of Lope fortunez jaun zuria.

Lopez family branch out into, zubiarrea etc. See arma 4 part 2 parts castli 2 parts Lopez.

When the NOble man of the 6 kingdoms of spain join a new surname was born.

I am not done with it but the references are historicaly acurate.

The arms records alone shows how all families are conected and they all govern under the catholic kings.

i quoeted from this book. So he is an idiot?

Library of congress: Endika de Mogrobejo continued the work and in Endika's volume 13 I found the article on the Zambranos. The citation is: .

Zuriain: Zuniga, Zuria, zuri common surnames ralation Zambrana: Zambrano Zambrana. Lopez: Zubiarrea. I can find a book from all the LOpez families that branch out but thast a another project. Casa blasonadas show this arms in union to show origin and how they forma new families.



Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 22:19, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTHOST and because it will take a miracle of Biblical proportions to make the hodgepodge of loosely-related information currently on that page into anything coherent. Hundreds of unreliable source do not make an article acceptable, regardless of how passionately defended. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Let me finish with it then talk.

Zambrana family that migrated into Jaen and banch out in to many families. Arms recorded for service to the kings.

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 22:28, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

As you say you rejected books, as you reject my work. Dark age stragety to forget information. There are no records of the subject because you reject them.
 * Delete Per above arguments. --Ecemaml (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Userspace is not meant to keep your own personal perferred version of material rejected for inclusing in mainspace. -- Whpq (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP is not a host for personal pages. Material has no chance of advancing to mainspace. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 04:00, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

But the fact is Zambrana or zambrano have serve as high noble man in many cities. Including Original colonies of America.

Google Books about Zambrana. They are all in spanish but lie you nobody cares about that written history.

All my sources are libraries

I have posted infromation that is national treasure.

Baeza Martin Alonso Zambrana has records that show him he is from zambrana.

Al zambrana records show them working for the king. Only high noble man can have this honor.

not to mention the fact that Charles V chose Zambrana family to Page for him.

Because his father is from navarra.

It is recorded in many book s that Pamplona noble namely Fortun Garces nobleman children.

Vassal fro Sancho Garces That became Navarra.

I have shown book about Jaun zuria Lope foirtunez who has a HOuse mark in Zuriain.

I am currently looking for the Charters that show this.

Hell i am making a dna tree to sho the relation on the Last names.

Pares database is historic original documents.

I am curious do you think this is not a good source? http://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=1123399 Govern nobleman of the king. LInares blason shows zambrana and Baeza arms as origin. in Half shiedl Palacio Zambrana, Located in Linares, Jaén, Spain Linaje de Zambrana pdf.

Baeza records that show Zambrasna origin. 1.1 Martin Alonzo De Zambrana, Conquest of Baeza in 1227. Los arcos del alcanzar. Lista de los 300 Soldados

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk)

Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago (talk) 21:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:FAKEARTICLE and WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  02:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC)


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