Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Johnbuckman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep. — xaosflux  Talk  12:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Johnbuckman
Per WP:UP : ''Generally, you should avoid substantial content on your user page that is unrelated to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a general hosting service, so your user page is not a personal website. '' This user page is about "I" with only information about the user such as "I founded and run Magnatune" and "I founded and run BookMooch" and "I was born in London". He does have his own Wikipedia article - John Buckman but that is not a reason for the WP:UP vio. Soundvisions1 (talk) 19:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep. There is nothing wrong with the kind of content this particular editor has on his user page. I would expect that many user pages have sentences starting with the pronoun "I", which is to be expected. Most of this user page has to do with the editor's involvement with the free culture movement which is related to Wikipedia's goal of free knowledge. Besides, the fact that he is also the subject of a Wikipedia article suggests that Wikipedia users may be more interested in seeing his perspective on his user page than that of the typical editor. Finally, I see no attempt to discuss the alleged problems with this user page with the editor before it was nominated for deletion. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Metropolitan90 (though generally I dislike "per" arguments).  Master&amp;  Expert ( Talk ) 06:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. The key word is substantial. Or in #3 of WP:UP#NOT, excessive: "Excessive personal information (more than a couple of pages) unrelated to Wikipedia". That's 1/3 to 1/2 page, and so does not strike me as remotely excessive as a user page. Gotyear (talk) 02:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Although WP:UP states that you are not to have excessive personal info, that clarifies excessive as a couple pages. This, however is 2/3 of a page at the most. So I would not consider this excessive personal info. Va nd al ism Destroyer  | Talk to me 03:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question: I want to ask a valid question - if the user was not "notable" would the replies still be "keep"? There is not anything related to Wikipedia, only a myspace/facebook/resume user page. If it were a one line stub I would not have an issue at all. If it we about Wikipedia, the users places of activity on Wikipedia, and included this information I would have no issue. Soundvisions1 (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't take into account his notability, only the amount of content which doesn't seem excessive to me, so my answer is yes. The only argument dependent on notability is "Besides, the fact that he is also the subject of a Wikipedia article suggests that Wikipedia users may be more interested in seeing his perspective on his user page than that of the typical editor", which also seems reasonable to me. Gotyear (talk) 16:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the replies would still be "keep" if the user were not notable. If you take the sentence quoted by Gotyear out of my initial recommendation, it would still be a "speedy keep" by my standards. Please withdraw this nomination. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Nothing wrong with it, just some basic information about the user. I agree with the others' comments above (since that's all there is to say about this)  C h a m a l  talk 12:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Absolutely related to WP, and a strong user page. Anyone who sees another such page as MfD, even for a "non-notable" person, please tell me so I can vote Keep for non-notable persons as well. Collect (talk) 15:54, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.