Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Jonathan W/Myst walkthrough

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. Consensus is determined based on the strength of the arguments presented and in the light of the applicable policies. In this case, the material in question runs afoul of WP:NOTWEBHOST and WP:UPNOT and while WP:UPNOT allows for some leeway, because "community-building activities that are not strictly "on topic" may be allowed, especially when initiated by committed Wikipedians with good edit histories", there is no consensus that that's the case. Salvio giuliano 21:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Jonathan W/Myst walkthrough

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I stumbled across this page, and its 57 subpages, while gnoming minor errors. This is a video game walkthrough and has nothing to do with building an encyclopedia. This page and all of its subpages should be deleted. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete this belongs on WikiBooks per WP:NOTHOWTO Dronebogus (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Still surprised that we're trawling through userspaces older than some Wikipedia editors around here, but whatever. Delete. --⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  19:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Now keep per Alalch.--⛵ WaltClipper - (talk)  14:28, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Delete. Easier to delete than talk about how old and quaint this is. I can't consistently maintain a delete position after what I've said below. —Alalch E. 19:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I actually just replayed the RealMyst remake with my mom Dronebogus (talk) 22:40, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete as per Wikipedia is not for how-to guides and Wikipedia is not for web hosting. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:02, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: this and all subpages. This is not what userspace is for. If user is still active, I suggest they move this elsewhere. silvia  (BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4)  (inquire within)  00:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Within reasonable leeway.  The user has more mainspace edits than to these pages.  There is no ongoing problem, it was all done in 2.5 days, 3-5 Aug 2006, and although not very active, the user has remained active and contributing ever since. There is no WEBHOST issue, as there are no pageviews.  The negatives of policing this outweigh a problem.  Policing others’ userspace like this is uncongenial, or just plain rude.  The Ragpicking busywork for mfd is a strong negative. Before coming to MfD, you should more seriously consider: (1) do nothing about it; (2) ask the user about it; (3) blank the pages.  I recommend (1).  If gnoming errors on obscure pages means you generate this work, I suggest you stop the gnoming.  If it makes troubles, it’s not gnoming. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I can sort of excuse long-standing users treating their userpage as a blog, but long-standing users do not get rights to put literally anything inoffensive in userspace. A prime example would be multi-page-long video game walkthroughs. Dronebogus (talk) 10:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Offensive? You’re very sensitive. SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:17, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'm a little sensitive (not really) but I wouldn't like if someone directed a "You're very sensitive" at me, when I'm trying to debate a point. Isn't this approach also a waste of energy? You're deeply right on philosophy but I think you're deeply oblivious to the systemic weakness in your MfD educational campaign: most people want to police stuff, once they have "learned the rules". Pressuring them into transcending this impulse (which provides them with a certain sense of gratification on a regular basis), is only antagonizing them and pushing them further from light and closer to being a more extremist version of what you oppose. "Offensive" means that it's a misuse of what is perceived as a communal space, which no one has "right" to. It offends a sense of propriety. Yes, this is utterly banal small-minded policing and a waste of time, but the emotion behind this is pretty powerful and is further empowered by there being (what is seen as) a proper venue to express this emotion. They feel valid, and then they feel authorized and empowered to act on this impulse. This has created evil in the world historically. But no counter-policing will create a meaningful change because this is an average expression of human nature in the current conditions. The conditions need to change. Maybe you're optimistic, in which case I respect your optimism. —Alalch E. 16:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I misread Dronebogus’ “inoffensive” for “offensive”, sorry. SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Users are given leeway to do some play, aka experimenting, in their userspace, as long as what they are mainly doing is productively contributing to the project. That applies here, as I judge from his editing pattern. SmokeyJoe (talk) 20:12, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems to be like a series of test edits from years ago about navigating wiki material in a directory structure. Maybe ask the user what they want to do with it? AngusW🐶🐶F  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:42, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete along with all related subpages, per nom and WP:NOTHOWTO / WP:NOTWEBHOST. —  Sundostund  mppria  (talk / contribs) 13:09, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.