Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:JoshMorrales/sandbox

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

User:JoshMorrales/sandbox

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What. The. Fuck.

Better to crush the dream now rather than let waste any more time. Try Everipedia if registrations work now, they'll host anything. (strike suggestion: either still doesn't work or is very user-unfriendly, it just gives me a "RELAY ERROR: Insufficient balance" when I try to edit, presumably they want money, guess you'll have to fund your own web host) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:49, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: per nom. --Bduke (talk) 02:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thought this was a private sandbox, leave me be pls im not hurting anyone :( - — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoshMorrales (talk • contribs) 02:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , everything you put on Wikipedia is public. If you want to privately maintain a document online try a service like Google Docs. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I looked at the use of a sandbox page, it says it can be used to practice editing and understanding how to use Wikipedia syntax and all that. If it is actively being edited, how could it be marked for deletion if I'm trying to learn how to use it in the first place? -JoshMorrales (talk • contribs) 02:34, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , test pages tend to look more like Bert with minimal to no content or effort. (the only reason that page has five whole bullet points is because I needed a list with a certain length to test a layout issue) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Josh,
 * Look at this. You are too yellow.  Your ratio of sandbox use that is not for improving Wikipedia is too much. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * , though if that's purely the result of testing the mechanics of a wiki without publishing real content but just stuff like lorem ipsum we'd be okay with a new user being very yellow. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I left off other conditions, such as content not for the project. Userspace is support of project contributions, and this includes any WikiMedia project, but if some small proportion of stuff strays outside that guideline, small compared to the user's contributions, then it is within reasonable leeway.  The rule exists to prevent non-wikipedians from using Wikipedia as a free webhost, and the part out proportions is to prevent a NOTWEBHOSTer from passing by doing token contributions only.  There used to be a lot more of this.  There isn't a lot of this because this rule is quickly and easily enforced. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Seems like a clear WP:NOTWEBHOST violation. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 10:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete sandbox pages are basically proving grounds for editors to harmlessly test out complicated/unfamiliar edits, not a private exclusive space for your personal vanity article. Dronebogus (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as web hosting with aspects of social networking. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * keep I'm a little lost as to which policy this violates. I can't think of any.  Is he messing around to learn formatting, kill time, something else?  Being in a sandbox, what is this hurting?  Is it offensive or degrading?  Libelous?  Violate WP:BLP?  I just don't get why it needs to be deleted. Some communication with the author so they understand this is visible to the public, sure, but deletion is the option of last resort, typically, so I'm not sure why we are going there.  It is true that we aren't a webhost, but that usually applies to their user page, ie: no advertising and such.  In a sandbox, the rules are pretty lax unless they are violating a specific policy. By it's very definition, a "sandbox" is a place you play around.  I mean literally, that is what it is, both in the real and virtual world.  He's playing around.  And now we're spanking him for it. If that isn't a violation of WP:BITE, I'm not sure what is. The test/article is harmless. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 15:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * the main policy violated is WP:NOTWEBHOST, with potentially a side of WP:NOTHERE. And I’ve said in the past that WP:HARMLESS is a bad argument and WP:BITE just means “don’t be a jerk to newbies over likely good-faith mistakes”, not “coddle newbies and let them get away with literally anything as long as it’s inoffensive”. Dronebogus (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I feel like you didn't read what I wrote. It is in a sandbox, not his user page.  Much greater leeway is given in sandbox.  That is where you play with code and such, for example.  Or formatting.  I didn't link to WP:harmless, I don't have to.  If you are asking to delete the page, the burden is on the people wanting to delete it, not anyone wanting to keep it.  You guys need to read About the sandbox. If he was using malicious code, violating BLP, etc, then sure, delete it, but if not, then you leave it alone. I can only hope the closer realizes this. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 23:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , Josh had requested to turn it into a non-sandbox page. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And I'm sure someone declined, and hopefully explained how things work here. Sounds like an inexperienced kid that needs a little guidance.  Of course, none of those things change the fact that his first learning experience was a bogus little article in a sandbox, but he probably did learn a few things, in the safety of a sandbox.  I just don't get all the heat over such a little thing that I have demonstrated, is allowed because of where it was.  We probably need to mentor him just a bit instead of putting ominous deleting warnings on his talk page. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 01:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Dennis_Brown. There is an at least 15 years old, under-documented, concept of contributors' leeway in their use of userspace.  This editor's nine contributions last April do not balance his obvious NOTWEBHOSTING, all suddenly in the last week, and his main userpage fails to give a reasonable explanation of who he is and why he is here, doing stuff that looks completely unrelated to contributing the the project.   The violation is WP:NOTWEBHOST, and further explanation is WP:NOTHERE. SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC) Also note "The Mr. Cool Pants Championship is a championship title created by Josh Morales. It is currently defended on the Shit Flakes discord server", which indicated that the sandboxing is for offsite promotional purposes.  And the flavour of it is a reputation thread to Wikipedia.  It is not ok.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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