Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:JoshuaBoyleIsAwesome/Joshua Boyle sexual assault cases

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as WP:G5 Primefac (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

User:JoshuaBoyleIsAwesome/Joshua Boyle sexual assault cases


Repetition of criminal charges that falls well short of what is required under WP:BLPCRIME. We can’t have this in main space as it would pretty easily deleted at AfD for BLP reasons. No reason to move it to article space, where it might actually cause the subject harm, if we can delete it when it is unindexed here. BLP applies regardless of namespace, and deleting here is the best outcome. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:10, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment one issue here is I already know the subject's name because it has been in Canadian news regularly for several years. Boyle is a public figure in Canada so WP:BLPCRIME needs to be applied carefully in that context. When a public fulirure is accused of crimes it is somewhat different than when a low profile figure is accused. There is an article about Joshua Boyle because he was rescued from Afghanistan. There has been considerable press over the Prime Minister's decision to meet with Boyle, especially after the assualt allegations but also because Boyle is seen by some as a supporter of a family of terrorist from Canada. These sexual assault allegations are getting sustained coverage in the leading Canadian RS. What does concern me is the username here. What is that about? See also Joshua Boyle's Wikipedia editing as drawn coverage from one of Canada's national newspapers  so we need to be watching for COI here. Legacypac (talk) 16:46, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I thought it was concerning enough to bring to MfD to discuss rather than speedy outright. The name, however, raises questions. I think additionally there is the issued of this being a proposed content fork. Even if it is worth mentioning in the main article, having it have it's own article appears to be undue coverage, which would also be a BLP violation. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The main article is only titled about his kidnapping but there is a pretty strong argument for moving that page to his name. The wife has had little coverage outside the kidnapping and can be covered in the context of an article on Boyle, but Boyle is notable beyond the kidnapping/rescue. The existing article can't logically hold the material in this user draft. Legacypac (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Boyle's role as spokesperson for Omar Khadr and his terrorist family, which he married into, is notable to some degree and predates the kidnapping. This is one of the reasons our pretty boy Prime Minister is taking heat for meeting with Boyle. If you want to delete the Joshua Boyle redirect and reverse the 2017 move of the article I'll clean it up so it is more a proper bio about Boyle. Then this material can be selectively incorporated into the bio properly with correct weight (a subheading and a couple sentences with quality refs). Can we force the user to change his username? Legacypac (talk) 17:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Or you could just write an article about Boyle and leave the kidnapping article alone. Primefac (talk) 17:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment - whatever happens to this draft may also be relevant to User:JoshuaBoyleIsAwesome/Joshua Boyle which pretty much duplicates the content. Huon (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * At least that draft doesn't focus only on the alleged crimes. Primefac (talk) 17:47, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as BLP violations. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * CTV, CBC, The Star and the National Post are gold standard Canadian reliable sources. Does not get any better then these outlets. Legacypac (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The concern on this draft is that it fails WP:BLPCRIME, not that it isn't properly referenced. In other words, there is no conviction (yet), and so it's not proper to say "here's all these things he was arrested for". Primefac (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * "This section (WP:BLPCRIME) applies to individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by WP:WELLKNOWN. National media like CTV, CBC, the National Post etc would not be covering these charges on a national basis if Boyle was not WELLKNOWN already. Legacypac (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete only because the title is a bit of issue. The content should be moved to the Joshua Boyle draft or incorporated in a mainspace article on him, which the other draft is pretty good for already. The kidnapping title should be merged to Josha Boyle. He is noteable for four things 1. The Omar Khadr comnnection 2. Being kidnapped. 3. Meeting Justin and the resulting controversy and 4. Being areeted for rape Legacypac (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have a draft of Boyle right here. —JoshuaBoyleIsAwesome (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete BLP issues too significant at this point. VQuakr (talk) 20:59, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete A checkuser has shown the article creator is a sock. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.