Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:KC109/Userboxes/Abortion Kills (2nd nomination)

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was No Consensus, now its been watered down there is no clear consensus to delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

User:KC109/Userboxes/Abortion Kills
Inflammatory userbox goes against Ubx C T J F 8 3  chat 04:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC) KoshVorlon Naluboutes,Aeria Gloris 18:46, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Oh, I agree with you completely.  Hi 8 7 8   (Come yell at me!) 05:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Userbox exceeds acceptable ignorance threshold.   Snotty Wong   confess 05:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 *  Edited , to make less divisive. Editors are allowed, even encouraged to briefly disclose their POVs.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:51, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ya, but, as I mentioned lower, they can do it with a less bold way, with one of the many other userboxes. C T J F 8 3  chat 16:25, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, SmokeyJoe. Your edited version is perhaps more divisive than the original.  What made you think that wording is better?    Snotty Wong   comment 23:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You think!? I thought it less divisive because I made it a statement about the users POV, not an asserted fact.  Can you make it more appropriate?  If not, then I would support delete in favour or other more acceptable userboxes.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit undone, per Snottywong's and Buddy431's comments. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, but possibly water down - there are so dratted many anti- and pro-abortion UBXes, but just because it's more 'extreme' than the others doesn't mean they should be valued less.  Kayau  Voting  IS   evil 11:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It does, I see it as a PA on people who have abortions by calling them murderers, of which the other pro life UBXs don't. C T J F 8 3  chat 16:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in either form: Editors should be allowed to express their beliefs in a userbox, rather than edit related articles with an undeclared POV. This particular point of view may indeed be divisive, but that's hardly the fault of the holder of it, but rather of the viewers.  I would almost say that the first form is better, in that it makes less of a statement about those who are OK with abortion (the current form appears to call people of pro-choice opinions murderers, which could indeed be divisive).  I have a higher tolerance for this type of thing than many people, but I think that these types of userboxes are a Good ThingTM in the grand scheme of things. Buddy431 (talk) 05:29, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, we should be able to express ourselves, but this one goes too far, calling people who have abortions murderers. C T J F 8 3  chat 16:03, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Possibly tone down slightly, but don't think it should be deleted. Acather96 (talk) 09:12, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete if it remains in its current state - I don't have a problem with the opinion expressed by the userbox. The problem is the manner in which it is played out, which is too divisive and harsh, per Ubx. Since abortion is such a conflicting and sensitive topic, the current wording is inappropriate for Wikipedia, where it is unnecessary to express such strong opinions in a place that welcomes people of all views (well, almost all...). Simply changing "knows" to "believes" is enough for me to not mind its existence; it's still a little divisive, but everyone has a right to express their own opinion, just not in a way that could cause problems and conflicts (or even hard feelings) amongst users. ~Super Hamster  Talk Contribs 15:50, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia is not censored, also, this is on a user page, traditionally, users have had a wide latitude of what can put on their userpage. He's not advocating any thing be done, just stating his opinion. Userpage are the only place an opinion can be stated.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.