Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Khuntien Ngin/Rendy Marciano


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the discussion was Delete all. Tikiwont (talk) 09:51, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Khuntien Ngin/Rendy Marciano
No indication that this person meets notability guidelines, no indication there is any attempt being made to make this readable to users of this Wikipedia. The internal links lead to more non-English subpages, and the external links lead to Friendster profiles. Wikipedia is not a free web host, nor is it MySpace, or even Friendster. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: This is a curious subpage. I see attempts have been made to tag it as a userpage but the tags were quickly removed. (January 27/29 dif and January 29/30 dif) as well as blanked on January 27 (dif). From the looks of the edits it looks like this is nothing more than a fan page that high schoolers mess around with. (see January 23 dif and January 27 dif for examples). It should also be noted there was an ANI about this: Users Anak Kalimantan and Khuntien Ngin. This may be related to the Rendy Marciano Friendster page or it may simply be an attempt at a worlwide wiki - see also AR Wikipedia and Cache of na Wikipedia. Also related here, in case you don't see it, is User:Khuntien Ngin/archieve7 which is the links to all the other user suabpages related to Rendy - User:Khuntien Ngin/GTT Jakarta, User:Khuntien Ngin/GTT KB, User:Khuntien Ngin/Jenjang Jabatan GTT and User:Khuntien Ngin/OGTT. I am also wondering if these are cut and pastes from other wikis or an "official" website. See http://na.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGTT for the User:Khuntien Ngin/OGTT "source" which was deleted January 13 as "vandalism". Soundvisions1 (talk) 21:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: For context, google translation suggests he is the head of a gang of vigilantes in Jakarta; see and . Looks to be an attempt to maintain articles in user subspace, "designed to functionally substitute for articles." Seems like the fate of them should be bound. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The idea that this scrawny kid is the leader of a gang is difficult to believe to say the least. This looks more and more like an out-and-out WP:HOAX. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently they thought so in Indonesia. See the google translation of the talk page: . They seem very earnest, but I don't know that this individual could ever meet notability. Perhaps it would be worth asking assistance from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indonesia? They seem relatively active, and that google translation suggests that the contributor who made this page speaks English as well as I speak Indonesian. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have left a notice there asking for input. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Found another hidden subpage - User:Khuntien Ngin/KZ. Most of his "archives" are all redirects - see User:Khuntien Ngin/archieve. Seems to be 8 pages in total. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess we are really discussing deleting all of these pages, we should try to compile a complete list. Here's what I've got, please add anything I may have missed :

Beeblebrox (talk) 00:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/OGTT
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/Jenjang Jabatan GTT
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/GTT Jakarta
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/GTT KB
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/Rendy Marciano
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/archieve7
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/KZ
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/Pontianak
 * User:Khuntien Ngin/xx
 * I have also nominated a bunch of the weird redirects for speedy deletion.


 * Delete - delete them all. Any internet search brings us back to wikipedia. There are no sources, no assertion of notability, and the rambling chats in Indonesian has nothing to do with the encyclopedia - it's just chat.--Merbabu (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * PS - i couldn't find anything related on the Indonesian wikipedia. --Merbabu (talk) 01:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: It may or may not be related but in searching I found User:Anak Kalimantan, who, according to their talk page was blocked for using the same i.p as ANTI-GTT - who made those edits I mentioned above. (January 23 dif) And these may, or may not be, related to User:Rendy Marciano was was also blocked. Because of the amount of redirects and users who redirected and moved various pages to various other locations it is somewhat hard to track down exactly what is going on. Soundvisions1 (talk) 03:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note, Pontianak has come up a lot in this web. For those who don't understand the Indonesian, Pontianak is a city in Kalimantan (the Indonesian part of Borneo) where this person says he is from. Anak Kalimantan means child of kalimantan. I repeat my suggestion to remove the whole tangled mess. there's nothing of note in the Indonesian text. --Merbabu (talk) 06:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - User Merbabu is one of the more thorough members of the Indonesian project and I think that you can consider his responses sufficient to represent the project - the pages that I have looked at look like, to me - like adolescent vanity pages that fortunately have not hit the main space - and should be considered that english wikipedia is not a storage space for personal vanity/blog material - and should be considered part of the recent increase of usage by indonesian speaking editors on mainspace - who from the evidence so far really should be at id and not en SatuSuro 07:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, think first before you voted DELETE, DELETE and DELETE! You are not Indonesian, so you don't know what's the case. id.wikipedia's administrators just told them a hoax. I feel so mad with their labeling! Once again, think first! Khuntien Ngin (talk) 08:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, as the Khuntien Ngin's partner, i just want to say, no hoax in these cases. I know, GTT has not a reliable sources, but it is not a hoax. They are not a vigilante gang like what you talking about. Anak Kalimantan (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The bar for inclusion is coverage in reliable sources, can you provide at least one example please? Beeblebrox (talk) 08:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We put the sources in the subpage. Remember, they have not a website. Maybe will coming soon. Anak Kalimantan (talk) 08:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * there are so many of these subpages, could you please be more specific as to which one of the 8 or so has a reliable source? Beeblebrox (talk) 08:44, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have told you that, GTT has not any reliable sources yet, but i put one of the sources in the User:Khuntien Ngin/Rendy Marciano page. I saw many of Wikipedia's articles have not any reliable sources, but they are still in exist. Anak Kalimantan (talk) 08:56, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So they are admitting there are no resources. THis whole thing should be closed immediately. More than enough leeway has been given. How can someone write so much and not have a single source. What a joke. --Merbabu (talk) 09:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The 3-minute time difference confirms to me that these two jokers are one in the same. Who needs a "partner" on wikipedia. THeir user pages are almost clones of the other. What waste of time. --Merbabu (talk) 10:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly some sort of self-promotional effort by a 16-year-old who wants to be famous - they have admitted there are no reliable sources, and it sounds awfully like something made up in school one day. See also WP:NOT. Orderinchaos 11:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - from the response above it would appear that the creator of the material has no idea of what WP:NOT might mean - and the material needs to be removed asap SatuSuro 13:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep unless positively shown to be a hoax, there is no requirement for "notability" in userspace. If positively shown to be a hoax, speedy delete of course. Collect (talk) 13:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could elaborate how a story (in Indonesian) about a non-notable teenager in Jakarta that its writer admits has no sources benefits the encyclopedia?--Merbabu (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement that a userspace page "benefit" the encyclopedia -- essays on non-notable people violate no rules. AndI know of no rule barring foreign languages from userspace -- if such there is, please tell me. Collect (talk) 18:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there is the policy at WP:NOTWEBHOST: " Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they may be used only to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog or to post your resume, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet or any hosting included with your Internet account." (Not that this is related to the use of other languages, but it is a rule about the benefit of userspace pages.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree with Moonriddengirl, this is a bunch of made up bullshit and "chatting" not related in any way to developing an actual article, and no attempt has been made to make it readable in English, so even if it wasn't a ball of lies, it has no place on the en.Wikipedia. Also, asking that it be "positively shown to be a hoax" is asking for proof of a negative. If there are no sources proving any of this, what are the chances there are sources disproving it. The point here is that these pages are an abuse of Wikipedia. They serve no purpose relating to the encyclopedia, but rather are vanity pages for some kids who have never made a single actual contribution to the project but have created all this crap that belongs on MySpace or a chat room. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete all per Moonriddengirl and Beeblebrox. Punkmorten (talk) 21:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete all. The vast majority of this user's editing activity is to these pages - I count two trivial mainspace edits and a few edits to other users' talk pages, but the activity is concentrated here. Creating articles in your userspace is not an acceptable way to make an end-run around article inclusion criteria. The fact that these articles are all being written in a non-English language makes it clear that this is never intended to be moved to article space, either — creating drafts of articles in userspace is an acceptable approach, but only if the article is intended to be moved out of userspace eventually. Zetawoof(&zeta;) 01:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Let me introduce myself, i'm CHJL who live in Jakarta. I have never heard about Rendy Marciano, Group of The Truth or sth., maybe they are part of students in one school only, and than, they publish the drafts use Indonesian that i know they are just totally hoaxes and not including any important things. I think it likes a juvenile deliquency, Wikipedia is a place for educational articles, not a self-promotion place. C H J L  Discuss 03:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. It's all up to you, i feel tired with this discussion. Khuntien Ngin (talk) 07:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin: In case you missed it in the above conversation, there was a thread at ANI relating to this as well. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Utterly non-notable, no reliable sources, seems to either be a hoax or someone's attempt at a myspace page. Skinny87 (talk) 16:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.