Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lenerd/deadprez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Delete all. Tikiwont (talk) 09:43, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

User:Lenerd/deadprez
User page is rather clear. Even if this userbox is taken metaphorically, it is still a clear violation of Userboxes. User was asked to change the userbox, but hasn't reacted. Fram (talk) 10:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Also nominated:
 * User:Lenerd/VP
 * User:Lenerd/F.U (added procedurally by Tikiwont (talk) 11:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC))
 * User:Lenerd/F.U.too (added procedurally by Tikiwont (talk) 11:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC))

To be hanged, drawn and quartered was the penalty once ordained in England for the crime of high treason. (Lenerd (talk) 23:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Keep per the retention of User:MJCdetroit/Userboxes/User pro death penaltyUser:The Ministry of Truth/Userboxes/Death PenaltyUser:Ibaranoff24/Userboxes/user_death-expand


 * Strong delete extremely disruptive. Icewedge (talk) 01:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete - not only is it disruptive, but depending on where they live, this is a crime. I'm not a big bush fan but this is not good!! - Marcusmax ( speak ) 01:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. Clearly distinguishable from the others mentioned since it names a particular living person rather than an amorphous group.  Given the potential for divisiveness (or even spooking the Secret Service) it is pretty clearly a bad idea, but that's only a minor reason to delete.  Eluchil404 (talk) 07:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete. Disruptive, divisive, inflammatory, unfunny, unhelpful to the project, and quite simply, not a statement one should make in a public forum.  In other words, everything a userbox should not be.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 11:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Statements of Violence cited by the nominator "Statements that encourage, and/or condone, specifically, acts of violence against any person(s) or group(s) are not allowed on user pages. This only includes the mention, or implication, of specific violent acts — for example, murder or rape. It does not, however, include statements that support controversial groups or regimes, that some may interpret as an encouragement of violence." This page is clearly a violation of that rule and a threat against Bush might actually be a criminal offense too. - Mgm|(talk) 12:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly divisive and threatening towards a specific individual. Has no place on Wikipedia. Hut 8.5 15:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Now they neither encourage or condone any act, they simply state facts about human mortality. (Lenerd (talk) 01:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC))
 * Delete - there are enough anti-Bush userboxes, disruptive (as stated above) and violation of WP:POINT — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domthedude001 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete Simply a hate message. Plus, it does not present any fact about the user or his interests that would be useful to another editor. C h a m a l  talk
 * Strong Delete - There's a big difference between I think that the death penalty should be imposed and used more frequently and I think that person X should be executed. The second, especially when person X is a currently important BLP, is a major problem, bordering on incitement. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per all of the above. I'd be inclined to delete the death penalty userboxes linked above as well; all are divisive and WP:SOAPboxy, with no obvious benefit to collaboration. Terraxos (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  I note that both boxes have been changed during the discussion by Lenerd. While this doesn't seem to have convinced subsequent commenters, some may not have noticed and the new version also have been given a separate existence at User:Lenerd/F.U and User:Lenerd/F.U.too that I now add to the discussion. Tikiwont (talk) 11:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * My comment stands with the new version. And renaming the userboxes "F U" doesn't help the user's case in my eyes.  --UsaSatsui (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Reiterate my stance as well, the rewrites seem slightly WP:POINTy in as much as they convey the same meaning subtextually. Better to use a simple "This user opposes George W. Bush" or even "This user thinks that Gerogre W. Bush's actions in his official capacity as president of the United States constitute high crimes and mistemeners/war crimes/high treason/shockingly uniformed policy/etc." It is is conflaction of a particular living person with excecution (and a rather grisly method at that) that makes these notably more divisive than other policical user boxen.  Eluchil404 (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Why was this relisted, seemed like the last vote was pretty decisive. 10 votes to delete vs. 1 vote to keep that was the result. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 01:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Cancel that just read the nominators message. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 01:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong delete all. The template creator's attempt to rephrase the template still hasn't changed the fact that the template condones the possibility of violence against a specific named individual. We would not allow such a template to be created to condone violence against any other specific living person, nor should we allow one to condone violence against George W. Bush or Dick Cheney. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all Frankly, why are we even debating this--I would suggest a speedy as G10 attack, or as vandalism DGG' (talk) 04:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all as a clear violation of User page. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all attempt by user to be clever does not wash. JuJube (talk) 08:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.