Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lew Loot/What Men Know that Women Don't

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

User:Lew Loot/What Men Know that Women Don't
Wholly non-notable self-published book. Appears to be a re-submission of text that was originally written by a now-banned editor. Rather than improve the draft over the last 2 weeks as I gave the user the chance to do, they merely complained about it being unfair. No improvement has been done, it's time to get this bad and highly-promotional draft off Wikipedia - after all, being on Wikipedia does not grant notability. ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 09:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - User is not interested in improving the article, only in promoting this book. He had his chance and failed to act on it. Begone. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:11, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Userfied only a week or so ago? A teeny bit short of the six months which was discussed as being a reasonable length of time, and I would suggest that 2 weeks is decidely being exceedingly short of that standard. Collect (talk) 10:15, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment It was only userfied as it was at risk of being deleted again via a deletion discussion at AFD. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 10:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The page was userfied on October 8th (three weeks ago tomorrow). The current guidelines don't specify a minimum of 6 months - simply that "content inappropriate for the mainspace should not be kept indefinitely in user space, per Wikipedia policy regarding the third disallowed use of subpages. Pages in userspace (including those that have been userfied) may be nominated for deletion through Miscellany for Deletion.". A minimum of six-months has been proposed at Wikipedia talk:Userfication but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere, correct me if I'm wrong. Despite not having touched the article itself, the User in question has found plenty of time to use User talk:Lew Loot/What Men Know that Women Don't as a soapbox and recently has been using it as place where the banned user Rich Zubaty (author of the book), can post messages by proxy, e.g., . It's wasting other editors' time and there's no reason why User:Lew Loot can't work on it off-wiki, if he indeed has long-term plans to improve the article to the point of acceptability. However, given his repeated instances of "I didn't hear that", it seems highly unlikely. Voceditenore (talk) 11:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete the likely eventual result at Articles for deletion/What Men Know that Women Don't was a pretty obvious delete, but instead of deletion the article was userified to give the author a chance to address the valid concerns. The AfD was closed early, and the article moved to user space on 8 October 2010. Since then there have been no substantive improvements and only WP:SOAPboxing and proxy editing for a banned user on the talk page. The author can work on this off-wiki. &mdash; Scientizzle 12:34, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NOTWEBHOST.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  19:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete: The reason that I am weak about this is that, when editors in the Afd suggested that the article get userfied, there was no indication (that I recall) that it would get deleted if it was not improved substantially in three weeks. The reason for my "delete" vote is that I agree with others in suggesting that this book is in no way notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, and that I am worried that it is being used, in its userfied state, as a marketing tool.  If Lew Loot wants to keep working on the article, then by all means he should do so, off wiki.  If he finds some evidence of notability, he can present it to the editors who have been involved in the various Zubaty discussions.  If it gets to the point that there is consensus in favor of reposting this or another Zubaty article, then Lew Loot or someone else can bring the article back "on wiki."  Ebikeguy (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's worth pointing out that early on October 9, one user wanted to MFD it within a week. Bwilkins advised the user that we should allow at least 2 weeks. It has now been nearly 3 weeks. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete & SPI/MEAT: As a non-admin who merely saw the Sandbox "re-appearance" of Rich Zubaty's non-notable book (per WP:NBOOK) into Wikispace a few weeks ago, I can only conclude that the multi-blocked author is merely using Lew Loot as a meatpuppet to try for the umpteenth time (see various page histories dating back to 2007) to get him & his book into Wikipedia for marketing purposes & vanity. Mr. Zubaty  often uses "we" when referring to the article's authorship and uploaded edits (see numerous UserTalkpage and AfD/block discussions).  I can only conclude that Mr. Zubaty inevitably pulls the strings and uses him to evade his own block and futile prior efforts.
 * Note that Mr. Lew Loot also has a Rich Zubaty article link (recently deleted by admin BWilkins) as a user/subpage (said Mainspace title deleted in the past on Wiki Mainspace since 2007). No such article development was discussed or authorized by the October 2010 book article deletion and Rich Zubaty block discussions.
 * With amazingly no Wikipedia activity between 2006 (two topics: Schengen and Masculinity) and 2010 when nothing but Rich Zubaty-related articles were authored or edited this May &mdash;then deleted&mdash; and this October &mdash;amazingly when Rich Zubaty "thought" his ban was over&mdash; it appears User:Lew_Loot is now merely a WP:SPA to promote Rich Zubaty and his books.
 * &mdash; DennisDallas (talk) 23:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC) & 00:02, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - At a minimum, deleting this page at this time via MfD would go against "The result was Userfy" close of the 8 October 2010 AfD. MfD is not the place to overrule AfD closes. In other words, this is not "userfy" we are addressing, this is "AfD userfy close", which is much different because it is a result of consensus rather than a decision by one person. (Get the AfD closer to change their close and I might change my position.) Once the AfD consensus userfy close has run its course (which it hasn’t), then you have to consider the time periods in WP:FAKEARTICLE. After less than a month, this has not yet become a page "being used solely for long-term archival purposes." After it was userfied, it still was being edited as late as 18:32, 11 October 2010 (“Jan” changed to “January”), so neither “long-term” nor “archival” are satisfied. -- JeffreyBillings (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As already noted, the request to userfy by the article creator made the rest of the AfD moot at the time - it was an 11th hour temporary save. At that time, he was told he had 2 weeks to fix it, or it would be gone. ( talk→   BWilkins   ←track ) 09:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST of this promotional content. Articles for deletion/What Men Know that Women Don't was closed as userfy to give the creator more time to work on this content. Instead, he has spent his time soapboxing on User talk:Lew Loot/What Men Know that Women Don't. There is no need to keep this page on Wikipedia. Cunard (talk) 08:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.