Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:LikeLakers2/asteroids/asteroids.js

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

User:LikeLakers2/asteroids/asteroids.js


This group of files are for a javascript game. Wikipedia servers exist to build and host an online encyclopedia and for pages related to that. None of that is in the description of an arcade game such as this. It's an inappropriate use of userspace. Gwen Gale speedily deleted them under the F5 criterion CSD F10 (not F5) along with User_pages, but another admin restored them. I'm now bringing this for a community decision. Lady of  Shalott  19:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * This discussion specifically includes all extant files related to LikeLakers2's asteroids game, including User:LikeLakers2/asteroids2.js. Lady  of  Shalott  19:34, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * User:LikeLakers2/asteroids/excanvas.js and User:LikeLakers2/asteroids.js are currently still deleted, but if they are undeleted, this discussion should include them as well. Lady  of  Shalott  19:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Can someone make the MfD template show correctly on the pages? I guess it's not because they are javascript pages, but I don't know how to make it do so. Lady  of  Shalott  19:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Templates won't expand on .js pages. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 19:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I like Asteroids as much as the next guy, but this seems like a pretty clear case of WP:NOTWEBHOST to me. There's no reason these .js files need to live on the WMF servers instead of the player's hard drive. Delete. 28bytes (talk) 20:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Kill it with fire Strong warning to the uploader and an indef block & ban if there's the slightest sniff of a recurrence.  WP:NOTWEBHOST and if they're feeling adventurous, WP:DOWNLOADYOUROWNMEDIAWIKI too. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A fun script was created in good faith, and this is the response he gets. → Σ  τ  c . 05:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Damn right he does. There is, first of all, no real purpose to this script (making it work in a MediaWiki context has some slack, admittedly), but that's minor.
 * The real problem is that WP is already somewhat flakey and relies on a great deal of JavaScript. It's also highly useful, and important to me personally that I can access this site from behind corporate firewalls, without having to disable all that JS. I can only do this for as long as I retain the good graces of network admins, and their pointy-haired bosses. A developing culture of script kiddies and l33t haxxors playing with the JS here is getting far too close to a story in the mainstream or trade suit press that "Asteroids game tries to steal passwords" and bang, I've lost edit access through MegaCorp's paranoid firewall. Messing with this stuff is good, but there's a time and a place that isn't here. Messing with the plumbing that you rely on can make you lose something that you needed. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. WikiCup directly relates to content writing. Department of Fun/Word Association, right on (or just below) the borderline, is supposed to be "[...] a good place to practice making links to articles and find interesting pages to edit on Wikipedia." asteroids.js is neither, and it devalues Wikipedia by "blowing up" its content. As the script offers no practical value to other Wikipedia editors, it should remain on the user's hard drive (possibly as a bookmarklet, Greasemonkey script, etc.) PleaseStand (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and warn: per Andy Dignley. Quite a different twist on WP:GAME but fitting the definition to a tee: "Gaming the system means deliberately using Wikipedia policies and guidelines in bad faith to thwart the aims of Wikipedia."  Nothing constructive at all from using WP servers as a game hosting device, taking cycles away from the real work. Toddst1 (talk) 23:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I do think it's unfair to characterize this as "bad faith editing". 28bytes (talk) 04:39, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am probably going to move this to my own wiki . I can't right now since I'll have to wait till tomarrow, so I don't want anyone acting surprised if I request it for CSD U1 while this MfD is going on. (don't delete it yet, though; when I do add the csd template, I'll probably remove the MfD templates) Feel free to continue the MfD as if I never posted this, however. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 01:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and stop wasting your time looking for things to nominate for deletion. It's a dumb script someone copied over to Wikipedia, some people have elected to use it, and nothing of consequence ever happened. And bullshit like "Strong warning to the uploader and an indef block & ban if there's the slightest sniff of a recurrence." is the reason why Wikipedia is losing editors, people. Since when did we become the University of Chicago&mdash;where fun goes to die? hare j 04:23, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete: Wikipedia shouldn't be used to host such things. There are plenty of other free hosts. Or if it's just client-side JavaScript, you don't even need an Internet host, you can just run it locally. Not to mention the mountain of free game sites where you could play a version of this game that's not written in JavaScript. I think a Wikipedia game easter egg might be cool, but this isn't it. And nearly everyone seems to agree on this, including LikeLakers2. Harej makes a valid point about not being rude about it and chasing people off, but it's not really relevant to the discussion at hand. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:27, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete MzMcBride summed it up pretty well, I don't see the correlation with the encyclopedia building process, I'm sure there are much better and most appropriate hosts to host this kind of stuff :)  Snowolf How can I help? 04:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – Honestly, WP:NOTWEBHOST applies perfectly here. Go link to the external site, if you wish; Wikipedia should not host the files for you. — mc10 ( t / c ) 05:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete – Per above, WP:NOTWEBHOST, and the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a gaming site. -- Bryce   Wilson  &#124;  talk   13:08, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTWEBHOST, and per 'stop wasting peoples time with this crap'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Give the man the opportunity to play while writing.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 19:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Occasional recreation by a group focused on article development may be good, but no page should host script that is unrelated to the encyclopedia (WP:NOTWEBHOST). The community is here to develop the encyclopedia and efforts that dilute that community (for example, by potentially introducing users interested in script gaming) should be strongly resisted. Johnuniq (talk) 01:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Sorry man. Andy Dingly makes a pretty compelling argument. Herostratus (talk) 14:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Another comment: Probably going to CSD U1 these files soon. Not sure if I'll do that or if I will leave it as is, as I've moved it to my own wiki. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 21:41, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I'll leave them up so that I can at least see what the MfD result will be. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 21:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete w/o objection to the user copying the relevant script into his common.js file. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 02:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per Gwen Gale's comment at User talk:LikeLakers2: "[W]hile all kinds of cool stuff can be done with JS here, posting games with no meaningful educational value having to do with building the encyclopedia strays beyond the bounds of what's allowed here." Also, as Andy Dingley notes, allowing it would set a dangerous precedent. Wikipedia is not for Asteroids. No, you won't find that in WP:NOT, and with good reason. Lagrange613 00:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Quite simply, not what Wikipedia is for. That doesn't seem to be in much doubt.  Super Mario  Man  13:15, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.